Columbia University to No Longer Require SAT/ACT for Undergrad Admissions

cawacko said:
We've had a lot of discussions about the dumbing down of education in America. In that vain, does the elimination of standardize tests help improve educational quality and achievement? Or is it a form of dumbing down?




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You are truly ignorant beyond words:

As the college application process picks up steam for the upcoming academic year, a new survey shows that more than 80% of U.S. bachelor-degree granting institutions will not require students seeking fall 2023 admission to submit either ACT or SAT standardized exam scores.
 
floridafan said:
You are truly ignorant beyond words:

As the college application process picks up steam for the upcoming academic year, a new survey shows that more than 80% of U.S. bachelor-degree granting institutions will not require students seeking fall 2023 admission to submit either ACT or SAT standardized exam scores.
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Did he say it was exclusive to Columbia?
 
ExpressLane said:
Yes we shall see if their academic standards improve or not. A good metric might be how many freshmen wash out.
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That's the argument behind the tests, they help identify the students most likely to succeed. Because if you put a kid in a situation above their ability there's a good chance you are setting them up for failure. So like you said, the schools will know how many kids they allow sans testing that wash out and how it compares to their historical averages.
 
cawacko said:
That's the argument behind the tests, they help identify the students most likely to succeed. Because if you put a kid in a situation above their ability there's a good chance you are setting them up for failure. So like you said, the schools will know how many kids they allow sans testing that wash out and how it compares to their historical averages.
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Columbia has a 97% retention rate for 1st year students. The national average is around 75% so what ever Columbia was doing must be working.
 
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ExpressLane said:
Columbia has a 97% retention rate for 1st year students. The national average is around 75% so what ever Columbia was doing must be working.
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I'd be curious to hear Flash's opinion here because he works in academia but private schools make it really difficult to drop out. Someone more versed in the system than I can offer way more color than that but its part of the reason you pay the premium you do to go there. (it clearly happens of course but at much lower levels than public schools is my understanding)
 
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