Colorado woman faces no jail time for statutory rape, pregnancy by 13-year-old boy

[Scott]

Good points Nifty. At this point, I think I'll go further then I've gone in any of my other posts. The term molest, like the term rape, is a word I don't like using because it is too ambiguous. The American Heritage Dictionary defines it in a few ways, but I think the first 2 are the main issue here. Anyone who's been following this thread and posts from Nifty and me would know that 2 of these definitions can sometimes contradict each other. Here they are:

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•To disturb, interfere with, or annoy.
•To subject (a child) to sexual contact.
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Source:
https://www.wordnik.com/words/molest

If the child (more generally speaking an adolescent, which has distinct differences from a pre adolescent) is attracted to an adult and that adult were to initiate sexual contact, the only thing that might disturb said child is what the future consequences of that action might be. For instance, that they might get caught or that both he and his adult lover get caught or in the case of sexual intercourse, that they might have a baby or acquire an std. So the cause of the disturbance wouldn't be the act, but rather the consequences. Some of those consequences are purely societal- depending on the society it might actually work out. Even in the U.S., with all the restrictions on adult/minor contact, it sometimes has worked out to some extent anyway. Perhaps the best example is that of Mary Kay Letourneau and Fualaau. There are some distinct similarities between the case mentioned in the opening post of this thread and the case of Mary and Fualaau. The main difference is that case happened a long time ago and so we were given the opportunity to see how the lives of Mary and Fualaau turned out.

I commented on their case in the very first post I made in this thread, post #40. Quoting from said post:

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Fualuaau was 12 during his first sexual encounter with Letourneau. The boy claimed to love the woman, and ended up having 2 kids with her. Letourneau was let off with only 3 months jail time the first time she was caught, but she served several years the second time. Once he was of age, Fualuaau married her and remained married with her for 14 years until their separation in 2019. As for the epilogue:

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Letourneau died July 6, 2020, at her home in Des Moines, Washington from colorectal cancer. She was 58. Fualaau and her family were at her side despite their separation. In her will and testament, Letourneau left much of her estate to Fualaau.[72][73][74][75][76]
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Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Kay_Letourneau
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It sounds a lot like the story of Romeo and Juliet to me, with the main antagonist being societal values rather than warring families.

you're a disgusting and twisted sick freak literally advocating pedophilia and child rape.

No, I pointed out the real life relationship of Mary Kay Letourneau and Fualaau. Perhaps if Fualaau were given the opportunity to go back in time, he might have persuaded Mary to wait until he was 18 or whatever the age of consent is where he lived. But we can't change the past, only live with it and tell our stories for future generations to learn from.

 

[Monad Portal]

No, I pointed out the real life relationship of Mary Kay Letourneau and Fualaau. Perhaps if Fualaau were given the opportunity to go back in time, he might have persuaded Mary to wait until he was 18 or whatever the age of consent is where he lived. But we can't change the past, only live with it and tell our stories for future generations to learn from.

yes, and she did time, as she should have.

what's your point?

everything turned out ok?

 

[Scott]

No, I pointed out the real life relationship of Mary Kay Letourneau and Fualaau. Perhaps if Fualaau were given the opportunity to go back in time, he might have persuaded Mary to wait until he was 18 or whatever the age of consent is where he lived. But we can't change the past, only live with it and tell our stories for future generations to learn from.

yes, and she did time, as she should have.

That's debateable. Clearly, the prosecutors in the case that is the subject of this thread decided that it wasn't necessary for Andrea Serrano to do time, suggesting that views on this type of relationship may have softened a bit since Mary Letourneau's conviction back in 1997 a little over a quarter century ago. I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason was that they were aware of how things turned out between Mary and Fualaau.

what's your point?

everything turned out ok?

No, my point is that despite all the obstacles, Mary and Fualaau had a long relationship, and it seems clear that they had feelings for each other all the way up to Mary's death 2 years ago. I was taking a look at the Wikipedia entry on Mary Kay Letourneau and I did note the following paragraph:

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The couple finalized a legal separation in August 2019.[8][68][69] Earlier in the marriage, Vili Fualaau said he was not a victim, and was unashamed of the relationship.[70] According to People in May 2020, an unnamed source "close to Fualaau" said that, "He sees things clearly now, and realizes that this wasn't a healthy relationship from the start."[71]
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Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Kay_Letourneau

What I wonder is, does he think he should never had had a sexual relationship with Mary or does he think that it could have worked out better had they waited until he was of age before starting said sexual relationship?

In any case, Mary and Fualaau are hardly the only teacher/student relationship that eventually got married. The current president of France, Emmanuel Macron, married his former high school teacher Brigitte Tourneaux in 2007 and they're still married. I'm not sure when they started their romantic involvement, but I found this on Brigitte Macron's Wikipedia page:

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It was at Lycée la Providence that she and Emmanuel Macron first met.[10] He attended her literature classes, and she was in charge of the theatre class that he attended.[11] Their relationship has attracted controversy, as she is his senior by close to 25 years, and Macron has described it as "a love often clandestine, often hidden, misunderstood by many before imposing itself".[12]
**

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Macron

There are other examples of teacher/student marriages here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_teachers_who_married_their_students

 

[Monad Portal]

That's debateable. Clearly, the prosecutors in the case that is the subject of this thread decided that it wasn't necessary for Andrea Serrano to do time, suggesting that views on this type of relationship may have softened a bit since Mary Letourneau's conviction back in 1997 a little over a quarter century ago. I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason was that they were aware of how things turned out between Mary and Fualaau.



No, my point is that despite all the obstacles, Mary and Fualaau had a long relationship, and it seems clear that they had feelings for each other all the way up to Mary's death 2 years ago. I was taking a look at the Wikipedia entry on Mary Kay Letourneau and I did note the following paragraph:

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The couple finalized a legal separation in August 2019.[8][68][69] Earlier in the marriage, Vili Fualaau said he was not a victim, and was unashamed of the relationship.[70] According to People in May 2020, an unnamed source "close to Fualaau" said that, "He sees things clearly now, and realizes that this wasn't a healthy relationship from the start."[71]
**

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Kay_Letourneau

What I wonder is, does he think he should never had had a sexual relationship with Mary or does he think that it could have worked out better had they waited until he was of age before starting said sexual relationship?

In any case, Mary and Fualaau are hardly the only teacher/student relationship that eventually got married. The current president of France, Emmanuel Macron, married his former high school teacher Brigitte Tourneaux in 2007 and they're still married. I'm not sure when they started their romantic involvement, but I found this on Brigitte Macron's Wikipedia page:

**
It was at Lycée la Providence that she and Emmanuel Macron first met.[10] He attended her literature classes, and she was in charge of the theatre class that he attended.[11] Their relationship has attracted controversy, as she is his senior by close to 25 years, and Macron has described it as "a love often clandestine, often hidden, misunderstood by many before imposing itself".[12]
**

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Macron

There are other examples of teacher/student marriages here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_teachers_who_married_their_students

i don't believe it is debateable.

you're a sick freak for condoning child rape.

 

[Scott]

yes, and she did time, as she should have.

That's debateable. Clearly, the prosecutors in the case that is the subject of this thread decided that it wasn't necessary for Andrea Serrano to do time, suggesting that views on this type of relationship may have softened a bit since Mary Letourneau's conviction back in 1997 a little over a quarter century ago. I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason was that they were aware of how things turned out between Mary and Fualaau.

No, my point is that despite all the obstacles, Mary and Fualaau had a long relationship, and it seems clear that they had feelings for each other all the way up to Mary's death 2 years ago. I was taking a look at the Wikipedia entry on Mary Kay Letourneau and I did note the following paragraph:

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The couple finalized a legal separation in August 2019.[8][68][69] Earlier in the marriage, Vili Fualaau said he was not a victim, and was unashamed of the relationship.[70] According to People in May 2020, an unnamed source "close to Fualaau" said that, "He sees things clearly now, and realizes that this wasn't a healthy relationship from the start."[71]
**

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Kay_Letourneau

What I wonder is, does he think he should never had had a sexual relationship with Mary or does he think that it could have worked out better had they waited until he was of age before starting said sexual relationship?

In any case, Mary and Fualaau are hardly the only teacher/student relationship that eventually got married. The current president of France, Emmanuel Macron, married his former high school teacher Brigitte Tourneaux in 2007 and they're still married. I'm not sure when they started their romantic involvement, but I found this on Brigitte Macron's Wikipedia page:

**
It was at Lycée la Providence that she and Emmanuel Macron first met.[10] He attended her literature classes, and she was in charge of the theatre class that he attended.[11] Their relationship has attracted controversy, as she is his senior by close to 25 years, and Macron has described it as "a love often clandestine, often hidden, misunderstood by many before imposing itself".[12]
**

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Macron

There are other examples of teacher/student marriages here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_teachers_who_married_their_students

i don't believe it is debateable.

And yet here we are debating it. More importantly, though, the prosecutor(s) in the case of Andrea Serrano decided that time wouldn't be necessary in her case.

you're a sick freak for condoning child rape.

Your constant accusations of this nature get tiresome. What I condone is people coming to terms with the fact that minors can and do want sexual relationships with adults. Generally speaking, such relationships don't fare well in practice, but that doesn't mean that jail time is the only proper recourse for the adult part of this equation.

 

[Into Тhe Night]

And yet here we are debating it. More importantly, though, the prosecutor(s) in the case of Andrea Serrano decided that time wouldn't be necessary in her case.



Your constant accusations of this nature get tiresome. What I condone is people coming to terms with the fact that minors can and do want sexual relationships with adults. Generally speaking, such relationships don't fare well in practice, but that doesn't mean that jail time is the only proper recourse for the adult part of this equation.

The problem is consent. There is a power imbalance between an adult and a child.

but that doesn't mean that jail time is the only proper recourse for the adult part of this equation.

The proper recourse is a bullet to the head, but that's only my opinion.

 

[Scott]

And yet here we are debating it. More importantly, though, the prosecutor(s) in the case of Andrea Serrano decided that time wouldn't be necessary in her case.

Your constant accusations of this nature get tiresome. What I condone is people coming to terms with the fact that minors can and do want sexual relationships with adults. Generally speaking, such relationships don't fare well in practice, but that doesn't mean that jail time is the only proper recourse for the adult part of this equation.

The problem is consent.

I can't speak for the case of Andrea because I have heard of no reports as to whether the boy consented. In the case of Fualaau, however, it's clear that he consented. The issue could however be one of -informed- consent. But then, you don't have to be a minor to get into a sexual relationship that you later regret getting into.

There is a power imbalance between an adult and a child.

There are power imbalances in a great deal of relationships. 3 factors that spring to mind are imbalances of important knowledge (skills helpful to one's career, for instance), money and political power. While it's true that someone with more power going into a relationship can use it in ways detrimental to the one with less, it's also true that they can use it to their benefit. I think it's hardly a secret that females frequently flock to men who have these types of qualities. Males, not so much, I think we can agree that they tend to want to be the one with more power in a relationship rather than the one with less, but that certainly isn't always the case, especially when the male is young and has little if any sexual knowledge.

The proper recourse is a bullet to the head, but that's only my opinion.

The fact that you are stating it as an opinion suggests that you're not sure, which I think is good. As an aside, my eldest sister first had sex at 13 with someone who was close to or was an adult (I never asked). I believe she regretted her decision and ofcourse we can all malign the older party, but I don't think that jailing her boyfriend would have been the right course of action even if it was a jailable offense. I certainly don't think that shooting him would have been the right course of action. She fortunately didn't get pregnant and moved on with her life.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

AssHat has discovered how to be an idiot in every possibly way.
I'm sure that it's his life's most impressive accomplishment.

 

[Scott]

AssHat has discovered how to be an idiot in every possibly way.
I'm sure that it's his life's most impressive accomplishment.

For those not in the know, Jesus AI used to go by Asshat Zombie. I actually agree with JA on some things. It's my hope that he comes to believe that the issue of adult minor relationships isn't completely black and white, but if not, he's certainly not alone in the judgement that it is in fact black and white.

 

[Into Тhe Night]

I can't speak for the case of Andrea because I have heard of no reports as to whether the boy consented. In the case of Fualaau, however, it's clear that he consented. The issue could however be one of -informed- consent. But then, you don't have to be a minor to get into a sexual relationship that you later regret getting into.



There are power imbalances in a great deal of relationships. 3 factors that spring to mind are imbalances of important knowledge (skills helpful to one's career, for instance), money and political power. While it's true that someone with more power going into a relationship can use it in ways detrimental to the one with less, it's also true that they can use it to their benefit. I think it's hardly a secret that females frequently flock to men who have these types of qualities. Males, not so much, I think we can agree that they tend to want to be the one with more power in a relationship rather than the one with less, but that certainly isn't always the case, especially when the male is young and has little if any sexual knowledge.



The fact that you are stating it as an opinion suggests that you're not sure, which I think is good. As an aside, my eldest sister first had sex at 13 with someone who was close to or was an adult (I never asked). I believe she regretted her decision and ofcourse we can all malign the older party, but I don't think that jailing her boyfriend would have been the right course of action even if it was a jailable offense. I certainly don't think that shooting him would have been the right course of action. She fortunately didn't get pregnant and moved on with her life.

I stated it as an "opinion" as a matter of politeness.

 

[Scott]

What I condone is people coming to terms with the fact that minors can and do want sexual relationships with adults. Generally speaking, such relationships don't fare well in practice, but that doesn't mean that jail time is the only proper recourse for the adult part of this equation.

The proper recourse is a bullet to the head, but that's only my opinion.

The fact that you are stating it as an opinion suggests that you're not sure, which I think is good.

I stated it as an "opinion" as a matter of politeness.

I think it's sad that some people view murder as the solution to relationships between adults and minors, especially in cases where it at least appears that there was some very real affection between the parties. I think we can all agree in the case brought up in the opening post that Andrea shouldn't have started a sexual relationship with this adolescent boy, but I hope that the majority here don't agree that killing her is the appropriate solution here.

 

[Diesel]

First of all, I'm curious how you came to the conclusion that I was never a 15-year-old American boy from the statement you bolded. Secondly, I have never claimed I was American. I believe I even told you once straight out that out that I wasn't.



I've spent most of my life in Canada. You probably could have figured that out if you'd read post #82.

Dutch is an internet troll. Nothing more. I wouldn't worry about anything he says. He dies off after you stop acknowledging him.

 

[Scott]

Dutch is an internet troll. Nothing more. I wouldn't worry about anything he says. He dies off after you stop acknowledging him.

I thread ban him from all my threads but I generally don't like ignoring people who respond in threads I'm in. I've made an exception or 2 for him though .

 

[Dutch Uncle]

First of all, I'm curious how you came to the conclusion that I was never a 15-year-old American boy from the statement you bolded. Secondly, I have never claimed I was American. I believe I even told you once straight out that out that I wasn't...

Only after I confronted you on the issue several times. It's one reason why you've thread banned me from your threads; you didn't like having your mask pulled off.

 

[Scott]

Only after I confronted you on the issue several times. It's one reason why you've thread banned me from your threads; you didn't like having your mask pulled off.

No, I thread banned you because you kept on referring to me as female when I'd already made it abundantly clear that I'm male.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

No, I thread banned you because you kept on referring to me as female when I'd already made it abundantly clear that I'm male.

You're free to identify with whatever gender you like, dear. You lied about your origin, the clue being your username and the answers you provided when queried about it.

You clearly have a feminine personality, a trait which I clearly pointed out could be due to you being a foreigner...which you finally admitted to being. While you may have male genitalia, natural or artificial, you still have a feminine personality. At least when compared to American men. You're not an Aussie. They are on the stupid side of macho. A Canuck or a Russian playing a Canuck is the most logical answer.

 

[Scott]

No, I thread banned you because you kept on referring to me as female when I'd already made it abundantly clear that I'm male.

You're free to identify with whatever gender you like, dear.

You're clearly still at it too.

 

[ExpressLane]

No, I thread banned you because you kept on referring to me as female when I'd already made it abundantly clear that I'm male.

Butch thinks everybody has confusion over their pronouns like he/she/they/them/it does.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You're clearly still at it too.

Unlike Mother Russia, dorogoy, and the whiny, elderly geezers on JPP, America is a free country. I'm free to express my opinion without your or anyone else's permission.

The only requirement is that I follow JPP rules as agreed upon when I signed up.

 

[Scott]

Butch thinks everybody has confusion over their pronouns like he/she/they/them/it does.

I'm assuming you're referring to Dutch. If so, I -wish- he honestly thought that people had confusion over their pronouns. I strongly suspect that he's just doing it to annoy people.