Colorado woman faces no jail time for statutory rape, pregnancy by 13-year-old boy

[Monad Portal]

Good call.

gambling is dum dum sauce.

 

[Scott]

Many U.S. states, as well as other countries disagree with you to some extent, or the age of consent would uniformly be 18, instead of the 16-18 range in the U.S. and the much wide range in the world. On the other side, there's at least one country, Bahrain, that believes that people shouldn't be able to legally consent until they're 21. As I've mentioned previously, I think the most important thing is that people are informed and autonomous enough to make healthy sexual decisions. States and countries can and do come up with their own conclusions as to what the age of consent and any other factors should be.

Thanks for affirming my point.

Do you think determining a person's ability to make "informed and autonomous" decisions should have an emotional basis, such as culture, or a rational basis such as scientific analysis?

Scientific analysis hands down. The problem is that so little of that has been done. There was one study, however, that I found to be on the right track:
Reactions to Minor-Older and Minor-Peer Sex as a Function of Personal and Situational Variables in a Finnish Nationally Representative Student Sample | springer.com

Now, I know that Wikipedia's page on this peer reviewed paper is not exactly favourable, but then, this certainly wouldn't be the first time I've disagreed with Wikipedia's conclusions.

Quoting from a summary of the study:

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Importance of age difference

In minor-older sex, partner age difference mattered for girls but not boys. Boys reacted positively, equally so for
minor-peer and minor-older sex (77 vs. 78% at the time). Girls involved with older persons reacted positively slightly
more than a third of the time (35–36%), which was just over half as often as girls involved with peers for reactions at
the time (61%). Adolescent (12+) girls sexually involved with adult males 5 to 7 years older, however, reacted no more
negatively than when involved with peer-aged males.

Girls in younger age groups, going from 15–17 to 12–14 to under 12, progressively reacted more negatively and less
positively. For boys, on the other hand, those in the adolescent range (12–14 and 15–17) reacted nearly the same, with
only younger boys (under 12) showing more negative and less positive reactions.

Boys with adults reacted negatively at the time (9.8%) significantly less often than boys with older minors (28.6%). They
also reacted positively at the time more often than boys with older minors (83.0% vs. 66.7%).
**

Source:
https://mirror.amapin.love/download/rind-2022-your-5-minute-guide/

 

[Dutch Uncle]

gambling is dum dum sauce.

I wasn't gambling, Patsy. For me it was a sure thing.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

]Scientific analysis hands down. [/B]The problem is that so little of that has been done. There was one study, however, that I found to be on the right track:
Reactions to Minor-Older and Minor-Peer Sex as a Function of Personal and Situational Variables in a Finnish Nationally Representative Student Sample | springer.com

Now, I know that Wikipedia's page on this peer reviewed paper is not exactly favourable, but then, this certainly wouldn't be the first time I've disagreed with Wikipedia's conclusions.

Quoting from a summary of the study:

**
Importance of age difference

In minor-older sex, partner age difference mattered for girls but not boys. Boys reacted positively, equally so for
minor-peer and minor-older sex (77 vs. 78% at the time). Girls involved with older persons reacted positively slightly
more than a third of the time (35–36%), which was just over half as often as girls involved with peers for reactions at
the time (61%). Adolescent (12+) girls sexually involved with adult males 5 to 7 years older, however, reacted no more
negatively than when involved with peer-aged males.

Girls in younger age groups, going from 15–17 to 12–14 to under 12, progressively reacted more negatively and less
positively. For boys, on the other hand, those in the adolescent range (12–14 and 15–17) reacted nearly the same, with
only younger boys (under 12) showing more negative and less positive reactions.

Boys with adults reacted negatively at the time (9.8%) significantly less often than boys with older minors (28.6%). They
also reacted positively at the time more often than boys with older minors (83.0% vs. 66.7%).
**

Source:
https://mirror.amapin.love/download/rind-2022-your-5-minute-guide/

Agreed on scientific analysis. Why do you think most countries don't do it that way?

While interesting, the Finnish study doesn't address the cognitive abilities of the adolescents. It infers they understand they made a mistake by the majority negative reactions, at least among females. Males at that age are thinking with the little head, not the big head.

 

[Scott]

Scientific analysis hands down. The problem is that so little of that has been done. There was one study, however, that I found to be on the right track:
Reactions to Minor-Older and Minor-Peer Sex as a Function of Personal and Situational Variables in a Finnish Nationally Representative Student Sample | springer.com

Now, I know that Wikipedia's page on this peer reviewed paper is not exactly favourable, but then, this certainly wouldn't be the first time I've disagreed with Wikipedia's conclusions.

Quoting from a summary of the study:

**
Importance of age difference

In minor-older sex, partner age difference mattered for girls but not boys. Boys reacted positively, equally so for
minor-peer and minor-older sex (77 vs. 78% at the time). Girls involved with older persons reacted positively slightly
more than a third of the time (35–36%), which was just over half as often as girls involved with peers for reactions at
the time (61%). Adolescent (12+) girls sexually involved with adult males 5 to 7 years older, however, reacted no more
negatively than when involved with peer-aged males.

Girls in younger age groups, going from 15–17 to 12–14 to under 12, progressively reacted more negatively and less
positively. For boys, on the other hand, those in the adolescent range (12–14 and 15–17) reacted nearly the same, with
only younger boys (under 12) showing more negative and less positive reactions.

Boys with adults reacted negatively at the time (9.8%) significantly less often than boys with older minors (28.6%). They
also reacted positively at the time more often than boys with older minors (83.0% vs. 66.7%).
**

Source:
https://mirror.amapin.love/download/rind-2022-your-5-minute-guide/

Agreed on scientific analysis. Why do you think most countries don't do it that way?

I suspect emotions get in the way of a rational discussion on the subject.

While interesting, the Finnish study doesn't address the cognitive abilities of the adolescents. It infers they understand they made a mistake by the majority negative reactions, at least among females. Males at that age are thinking with the little head, not the big head.

Based on the summation of Rind's paper, it seems that social attitude disparities between males and females may have played a part:

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Era as a modifier

Girls with older partners reacted more negatively (46% vs. 31%) and less positively (26% vs. 47%) in the 2008–2013 surveys than in the 1988 survey. For boys, no significant differences occurred. Rind speculates that this decrease in positive recall may be due to the broadly received social attitudes.
**

I also think the fact that females can get pregnant while males can't plays a significant role.

Looking at the summation of Rind's study, it also seems that another factor was at play here. Essentially, minor males were the initiator of the sexual interaction much more often than minor females. Importantly, when either gender initiated a sex act, the positive reaction was around the same:

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14% of girls, 46% of boys initiated sex acts, and the resulting level of positive reaction was high, and importantly the same between the genders (around 80%).
**


There's another point brought up in the summary of Rind's study that I think is rather important:

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Limitations

The importance of surveying adult-adult reactions is demonstrated by the Kinsey samples. Unlike the minor- peer reactions in the present study (which were the same or superior to minor-adult reactions), these adult- adult reactions were the same or inferior to the minor-adult reactions.
**

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I suspect emotions get in the way of a rational discussion on the subject.



Based on the summation of Rind's paper, it seems that social attitude disparities between males and females may have played a part:

**

Era as a modifier

Girls with older partners reacted more negatively (46% vs. 31%) and less positively (26% vs. 47%) in the 2008–2013 surveys than in the 1988 survey. For boys, no significant differences occurred. Rind speculates that this decrease in positive recall may be due to the broadly received social attitudes.
**

I also think the fact that females can get pregnant while males can't plays a significant role.
**

While I agree cultural attitudes are important factors, basic biological facts are, IMO, the foundation of those attitudes, be it genetics or your observation that girls can get pregnant and boys cannot.

 

[Scott]

I suspect emotions get in the way of a rational discussion on the subject.



Based on the summation of Rind's paper, it seems that social attitude disparities between males and females may have played a part:

**

Era as a modifier

Girls with older partners reacted more negatively (46% vs. 31%) and less positively (26% vs. 47%) in the 2008–2013 surveys than in the 1988 survey. For boys, no significant differences occurred. Rind speculates that this decrease in positive recall may be due to the broadly received social attitudes.
**

I also think the fact that females can get pregnant while males can't plays a significant role.
**

While I agree cultural attitudes are important factors, basic biological facts are, IMO, the foundation of those attitudes, be it genetics or your observation that girls can get pregnant and boys cannot.

Looks like we both agree that the fact that females can get pregnant from sexual intercourse plays whereas males can't probably plays an important role in the finding that male minors tend to have more positive sexual experiences with adults both in the short term and the long term than females. Nice to know we can agree on things sometimes .

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Looks like we both agree that the fact that females can get pregnant from sexual intercourse plays whereas males can't probably plays an important role in the finding that male minors tend to have more positive sexual experiences with adults both in the short term and the long term than females. Nice to know we can agree on things sometimes .

Sex is a basic foundational layer of all human culture.

 

[Scott]

Sex is a basic foundational layer of all human culture.

Agreed. I think one of the main issues I've been bringing up in this thread is that I think that more research needs to be done to determine how best to handle things when minors engage in sexual interactions, both with other minors and with adults.