College football’s future?

[Carmine]

I’d agree with the baseball, but football is a good game, problem today is that it has become too specialized, a kid can start as a center in Pop Warner and play center all the way thru the pros, only sport where the offense never plays defense

I'm not squeamish about contact sports.
I boxed at both the amateur and professional levels.
When I look at football, I don't understand how necks aren't broken every week.

I stopped watching after Darryl Stingley was paralyzed in the late 1970s,
but the Brady/Belichick era drew me back for a while.

Now I've again left it to those who still enjoy it.

Baseball is the only major team sport in America where the defense has the ball.
I think that's kind of cool.

 

[cawacko]

As I said, it is down the road, the progression has to lead that way, money and greed are too big

That is my point, in time, further down the road, college football will become football’s G league. Basketball has wider roots, encompasses more schools, has more drama, as noted, even a St Peters can make waves, college football has nothing comparable. However, in time, basketball will go the same route

Those attempts didn’t succeed because they couldn’t compete with the NFL, as in time this super college football conference won’t either, and as I showed you before, what you think college football offers will fade with straight professionalism. The minor league will be college football

I grabbed a drink with a 'SC buddy last night who had a friend in town who went to Baylor, and we were discussing the future of college football. There are 128 D-1 football programs right now. They think its going to be split up into two 'leagues' of 64 teams each and each will have its own championship. We'll see.

As far as college football being a 'minor league', that's what some people call it now. But there's no way they will be detached from the Universities. Or rather if they do, no one will watch.

 

[cawacko]

Ah, what could be more easier to understand, money dictates, so greed follows, put it out there, and the greedy will follow, duh

Tennessee brings nothing to attract a nationwide viewership, if you are assembling a super conference, Tennessee ain’t appealing, do you have problems processing?

Tennessee is in the Top 10 or 11 I believe for all time wins in college football. They've also won 6 national titles. Regency bias shows them being down the past couple of decades but if we're talking full resume, Tennessee gets a seat at the table.

 

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I'm not squeamish about contact sports.
I boxed at both the amateur and professional levels.
When I look at football, I don't understand how necks aren't broken every week.

I stopped watching after Darryl Stingley was paralyzed in the late 1970s,
but the Brady/Belichick era drew me back for a while.

Now I've again left it to those who still enjoy it.

Baseball is the only major team sport in America where the defense has the ball.
I think that's kind of cool.

Can tell when one is a New Englander when you see the “Brady/Belichick” era, like the Buffalo nuts with Kelly/Levy, old Packer fans with Star/Lombardi, and I’m sure many others with regional ties

Just about every sport other than football the defense and offense is the same, be interesting to see a one platoon football game

Now with the distaste for the violence in football, and having experience, do you follow the fight game, not UFC, but boxing

 

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I grabbed a drink with a 'SC buddy last night who had a friend in town who went to Baylor, and we were discussing the future of college football. There are 128 D-1 football programs right now. They think its going to be split up into two 'leagues' of 64 teams each and each will have its own championship. We'll see.

As far as college football being a 'minor league', that's what some people call it now. But there's no way they will be detached from the Universities. Or rather if they do, no one will watch.

No, no, you missed the point, not splitting into two leagues, rather the eventual evolution of let’s say a super team conference of perhaps twenty teams, the best of the best, those with the biggest TV draw or market. The remaining 108 teams to continue as they see fit. The realignments aren’t done here

From this point, college football will eventually evolve into minor league for the NFL, as I said, who will want to watch a NFL Lite when the real deal is available

And certainly they will detach from the schools, remain connected in name only, we’ve been thru this several times already, money will supersede the school’s mission. The US Army has a car racing in NASCAR, but few look at it as actually representing the US Army

 

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Tennessee is in the Top 10 or 11 I believe for all time wins in college football. They've also won 6 national titles. Regency bias shows them being down the past couple of decades but if we're talking full resume, Tennessee gets a seat at the table.

Not in the predicted super conference, a lot of schools have rich football traditions, but it ain’t about tradition, rather what you bring to the table, and for Tennessee it ain’t national appeal nor needed TV market. And to extend it further, just to motivate you, one of the LA teams won’t make it either, they won’t need two college teams form the same locale

 

[Carmine]

Now with the distaste for the violence in football, and having experience, do you follow the fight game, not UFC, but boxing

I have attended live championship boxing matches from coast to coast,

and I continued to follow professional boxing as my favorite sport until very recently.



When premium cable channels like HBO and Showtime had big time boxing almost exclusively,
they also controlled the pay per view broadcasts.

The buys were very expensive, and while I bought the really compelling ones,
I didn't buy them all at a hundred bucks a pop.
I didn't have to in order to see the matches.
One week after they were sold on live ppv,
either HBO or Showtime would replay the matches to their regular subscribers at no extra cost.


That all changed when boxing, like many other forms of entertainment, migrated from premium cable to streaming.
In order to see all the big matches, I would have to subscribe to a number of streaming services,
and if we're being honest, I hate much of digital technology, the internet, and especially streaming.

I fairly recently ended up completely abandoning a sport that I had followed religiously since the 1950s,
and in which I myself participated at both the amateur and professional levels in the 1960s.

I'm not happy about it, however.
I could never cultivate an interest in MMA.
It's fine for those who enjoy it, I suppose.

I'll probably attend some of the New England Golden Gloves tournament, however.
I run into old friends there.

 

[cawacko]

No, no, you missed the point, not splitting into two leagues, rather the eventual evolution of let’s say a super team conference of perhaps twenty teams, the best of the best, those with the biggest TV draw or market. The remaining 108 teams to continue as they see fit. The realignments aren’t done here

From this point, college football will eventually evolve into minor league for the NFL, as I said, who will want to watch a NFL Lite when the real deal is available

And certainly they will detach from the schools, remain connected in name only, we’ve been thru this several times already, money will supersede the school’s mission. The US Army has a car racing in NASCAR, but few look at it as actually representing the US Army

I go back to no one watches leagues like the XFL, USFL etc. A football league without ties to the University’s will not have the same appeal.

People do talk about football being separated from other sports in the college universe in terms of conferences and so forth at some point in the future. Can’t rule that out. But too much attachments to the schools

 

[cawacko]

Not in the predicted super conference, a lot of schools have rich football traditions, but it ain’t about tradition, rather what you bring to the table, and for Tennessee it ain’t national appeal nor needed TV market. And to extend it further, just to motivate you, one of the LA teams won’t make it either, they won’t need two college teams form the same locale

How many teams do you think are going to be in a super conference? You think it’s going to be like ten teams?

 

[Carmine]

Between 12 regular season games,
a conference championship game,
and post season bowl or tournament games,
When do these "student-athletes" study for exams and write their papers?

One really has to cherish football more than learning
to not be offended by this.

 

[cawacko]

Between 12 regular season games,
a conference championship game,
and post season bowl or tournament games,
When do these "student-athletes" study for exams and write their papers?

One really has to cherish football more than learning
to not be offended by this.

It’s not like the commitment of other student athletes is any, or much, less. If you play a D-1 sport, it’s like a full time job (Edit: and a lot of these other student-athletes aren't on scholarship)

 

[Carmine]

It’s not like the commitment of other student athletes is any, or much, less. If you play a D-1 sport, it’s like a full time job

Yup. Absolutely true.

It's only my opinion, of course, but I personally don't like it.

I'd rather see the scholarship go to a future Jonas Salk,

but the schools can do what they think is best.

It's obviously not my call.

 

[cawacko]

Yup. Absolutely true.

It's only my opinion, of course, but I personally don't like it.

I'd rather see the scholarship go to a future Jonas Salk,

but the schools can do what they think is best.

It's obviously not my call.

A lot of college athletes aren't on scholarship. And many many successful leaders in all kinds of fields played a sport in college.

 

[Carmine]

A lot of college athletes aren't on scholarship. And many many successful leaders in all kinds of fields played a sport in college.

I suppose.

My own perception, however, is that the revenue sports in college are clearly being run as businesses,
and to my own perhaps unique way of thinking,
I find that very tacky.

There's a reason that Harvard and Princeton and Yale are not college football powerhouses.

 

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I have attended live championship boxing matches from coast to coast,

and I continued to follow professional boxing as my favorite sport until very recently.



When premium cable channels like HBO and Showtime had big time boxing almost exclusively,
they also controlled the pay per view broadcasts.

The buys were very expensive, and while I bought the really compelling ones,
I didn't buy them all at a hundred bucks a pop.
I didn't have to in order to see the matches.
One week after they were sold on live ppv,
either HBO or Showtime would replay the matches to their regular subscribers at no extra cost.


That all changed when boxing, like many other forms of entertainment, migrated from premium cable to streaming.
In order to see all the big matches, I would have to subscribe to a number of streaming services,
and if we're being honest, I hate much of digital technology, the internet, and especially streaming.

I fairly recently ended up completely abandoning a sport that I had followed religiously since the 1950s,
and in which I myself participated at both the amateur and professional levels in the 1960s.

I'm not happy about it, however.
I could never cultivate an interest in MMA.
It's fine for those who enjoy it, I suppose.

I'll probably attend some of the New England Golden Gloves tournament, however.
I run into old friends there.

And favorite fighter, or should I guess, with the Brady/Belichick reference, Marvin Hager?

 

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I go back to no one watches leagues like the XFL, USFL etc. A football league without ties to the University’s will not have the same appeal.

People do talk about football being separated from other sports in the college universe in terms of conferences and so forth at some point in the future. Can’t rule that out. But too much attachments to the schools

And you are correct, today, but I am talking ten or twenty years from now, this realignment isn’t over, I’d say it began decade ago with the ACC raiding Big East, and has continued ever since, ain’t ending with a Big 10/SEC dominance. And as far as the University ties, that will fade also, less and less schools will want to get in that deep, and the ones that do, will have no relation what so ever with the school’s mission

 

[Carmine]

And favorite fighter, or should I guess, with the Brady/Belichick reference, Marvin Hager?

When I was entering first grade in September of 1952,
an Italian-American athlete from Massachusetts, Rocky Marciano,
won the Heavyweight Championship of the World.

He was my first sports hero.

The very next year, Ted Williams returned from Korea with much fanfare.
He was my second.

I was, of course, a Marvin Hagler fan,
but for some reason, unlike other local fighters, never met him personally.

 

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How many teams do you think are going to be in a super conference? You think it’s going to be like ten teams?

I’d say sixteen to twenty, nearly laid it out for you earlier: Gone from the SEC: Vanderbilt, Missouri, Arkansas, Texas A+M, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Kentucky, with a Florida and Auburn on the fence

From the Big Ten; Minnesota, Indiana, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska, Washington, Oregon, with Iowa and Michigan State, plus one of the Calf teams, on the fence

Picking up a couple of others from the remaining conferences, what will be created is a super conference

 

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It’s not like the commitment of other student athletes is any, or much, less. If you play a D-1 sport, it’s like a full time job (Edit: and a lot of these other student-athletes aren't on scholarship)

And although we will again disagree, in a good number of schools were football is emphasized, especially certain schools, football players are not held to the same responsibilities or requirements of other athletes, their academic commitment per say is minimal

 

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When I was entering first grade in September of 1952,
an Italian-American athlete from Massachusetts, Rocky Marciano,
won the Heavyweight Championship of the World.

He was my first sports hero.

The very next year, Ted Williams returned from Korea with much fanfare.
He was my second.

I was, of course, a Marvin Hagler fan,
but for some reason, unlike other local fighters, never met him personally.

Thought Marciano was too easy, that whole weigh class when in Hagler’s prime was special, although I was just an outside fan, can remember his fights with Duran, Leonard, Hearns, and others, probably cause they were featured often on nationwide coverage, towards the end it seems as if fighters avoid him