Christianity under fire!

patriot66 said:
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What part of "not allowed to have objects that promote a specific religion in the classroom" is so hard for so many Christians to understand?


Show me that in the constitution and we will talk. anyone? no?
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SCOTUS has consistently ruled that the 1st Amendment is in fact a requirement for a separation of church & state.
 
The Kicker of Elves said:
sorry christians, we aren't going to have a theocracy. Also sorry for treating LGBT kids as human beings, that must really piss you off as well.
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some people don't comprehend that religion is not the same as sexual orientation. Having a LGBT group during school is no different than a Hispanic group or womens group etc...

where as a Christian group would be on par with Jewish, Muslim, Hindu etc...
 
patriot66 said:
But we will not go gently into that good night, we will shine our light brighter than ever because darkness fears the light.

http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/2013/...er-religious-items-go-or-you-do/?subscriber=1

Message to Teacher: Either Religious Items Go... or You Do
By Bobby Eberle January 14, 2013 7:13 am
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It's a question about common sense. When a high school has a gay and lesbian group and also has a Bible study group, why is it that the teacher involved with the Bible study group is the one coming under fire? But that's exactly what's happening at one school, where the teacher is being told to remove religious items from her classroom and not participate in the Bible study meetings or activities.

Yes, this story is for real, and it's just another example of how anything goes in today's high schools except Christianity, of course. As reported by WIVB Channel 4 in New York, a Cheektowaga high school science teacher is now fighting back with her own law suit.

Joelle Silver, a teacher at the school for seven years, says she received a "counseling letter" to remove the items from her classroom. The suit was filed against the district, President of the Board of Education Brian J. Gould, and Superintendent of Schools Dennis Kane.

The complaint filed by the AFLC claims other teachers and faculty at the school were not required to remove items of personal or religious speech. One of the arguments the document makes is in reference to a social worker at the school, who the complaint alleges, by contrast, is allowed to promote a "gay rights agenda."

According to the report, all of this started when one student... ONE... complained. And, of course, the student didn't go through the school system. Instead the student contacted the Freedom from Religion group, who is always willing to threaten legal action all in the effort to force God completely out of society.

The American Freedom Law Center (AFLC) has come to the aid of the teacher, Joelle Silver.

Robert Muise, AFLC Co-Founder and Senior Counsel, commented, "This is one of the most egregious examples of religious hostility I have witnessed in a public school. Ms. Silver does not cease being a Christian nor does she shed her constitutional rights at the schoolhouse gate."

According to the "counseling letter," which is now a permanent part of Silver's employment file, failure to follow any of the directions would lead to "serious disciplinary consequences, including the termination of [her] employment."

The School District's hostility toward Silver's Christian faith was blatant, particularly in light of the fact that the School District permits other teachers and administrators to display in their classrooms and offices various messages and other items that reflect their personal viewpoints on a wide range of subject matter. For example, a social worker at the very same High School displays inside and outside of her office various messages that promote the "gay rights" agenda, including LGBT-themed posters and advertisements from activist organizations.

Here is a copy of the letter received by Joelle Silver.

But it's not just the religious items. As the WIVB report notes, the school is even coming down on Silver's participation in the school's Bible study group.

The complaint filed against the district also says Silver was told not to participate in the Bible Study Club's meetings or activities, so it could not be interpreted as being promoted by her or the district. The letter states Silver had a 'prayer box' in the classroom that was being used by the club throughout the school day and instructed her to remove it. The complaint alleges that, by contrast, the school's Gay Straight Alliance is allowed to have students participate in club activities during the school day.

When will it all end? This overt attack on Christianity is over the top, especially when one considers what other teachers can do, say, or promote at the same school.
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perhaps this should be titled a war on religion. in public institutions...which should not have any members that advocate any religion while in the institution
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Really??

Can you give us a list of which religions were allowed to keep their "prayer box" in the classroom?

Maybe you could provide some evidence to back up that claim it isn't being applied equally?
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some of you would call it a wish list, since you wouldn't believe in prayer.....
 
ZappasGuitar said:
And SCOTUS says that The 1st Amendment to the Constitution DOES INDEED SAY there needs to be a wall between church and state.
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The phrase does not appear in the Constitution and neither does the word "God"

The writings from the Founding Fathers at the time of the drafting of the Constutution made it clear the Founding Fathers wanted a secular government, unlike England whose government was tied to the Church of Engand.

I guess they figured future generations would be able to figure it out.
 
Rana said:
Mormon, yes, and anything not Christian.

The most despised group in America

2. Muslim 38%

1. Atheist 48%
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Interesting read from a supposed study made at University of Minnesota:

http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistbigotryprejudice/a/AtheitsHated.htm

What's perplexing is, how can the atheists get their guy for president, and still be the most despised? You'd think this would be about majorities. My guess would have been Conserative Christians at the top of that list.
 
Lowaicue said:
It is christianity that is radical, not normality. To take an evolved species with the wherewithall for survival and procreation and impose upon it a belief in the impossible is, in 2013, totally ridiculous.
(Of course it does depend somewhat on what you mean by 'radical'. I take it to mean 'going beyond the norm' or 'introducing fundemental change'.)
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Well, all that depends on your perspective.....Christians would probably view you as radical...maybe even mentally disturbed or an anti-Christian zealot....
Though much has changed in the 10,000 years man has walked the earth, much remains the same as 1000 years ago in some areas.....
A belief in the impossible....think of all the things that were believed impossible a mere 200 years ago and yet are now reality.....who is to say
what is impossible in this world......or as some believe, in the next....
Anyway....to be elected by your peers, you have to conform to a certain degree, and thats the point.....
 
ZappasGuitar said:
And SCOTUS says that The 1st Amendment to the Constitution DOES INDEED SAY there needs to be a wall between church and state.
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The 1st Amendment to the Constitution DOES INDEED SAY exactly what it says, in black and white.....and absolutely not what the SCOTUS says it says unless they are directly quoting from the document......what they are claiming, is what they THINK it means.....
 
Lowaicue said:
Not if it restrict societal growth and threatens mans existence. I think it's about time you took that precious constitution of yours and used the pages for rolling cannabis.
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Freedom, in any capacity, will never restrict man's growth or threaten mans existence to the degree that we will submit to slavery.....

You can thank the Americans for the whatever freedom you enjoy....maybe even your very existence.
 
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