Christianity has gone to the wolves

wiseones2cents said:
I haven't even begun yet
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no need to state the obvious....what you've provided so far is nothing....so your argument is that YHWH created the heavens and the earth and then gave his daughter Sarah to be Abraham's wife?.....do you plan to base your argument on scriptural annotation, some other ancient text or simply silly conjecture?....



Hammurabi code. An eye for an eye. Sound familiar?
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not to the Ten Commandments, no....did you forget what it was you were trying to prove already?....
 
wiseones2cents said:
Oh the quote. When I tell you that the Bible is historically inaccurate. Would you agree? Yes or no.
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as a blanket statement?....no, I cannot....there are many things which the Bible is historically accurate about.....is it intended to be an accurate depiction of history?......no.....are there things that are stated to have occurred historically which can be proven not to be true, not that I am aware of......however, in summary the Bible exists to communicate the existence of God to his creation......to inform us that YHWH created the universe, that mankind fucked it up, that Jesus Christ incarnated to restore what we fucked up and present us with the means of reconciliation with God.....within the framework of that communication there are no errors......
 
wiseones2cents said:
Therefore Abraham was given a piece of land, but only the children of Sarah(Grandchild of the Lord), were able to inherit the land(That originally belong to the Lord/King).
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however, Canaan did not come from Sarah's father because he was already married to Sarah when he set out from the land he had (Harran) and took everything he had to a new place (Canaan).....if Sarah's father gave him land it was in Harran, not Canaan......
Genesis 12
 
PostmodernProphet said:
no need to state the obvious....what you've provided so far is nothing....so your argument is that YHWH created the heavens and the earth and then gave his daughter Sarah to be Abraham's wife?.....do you plan to base your argument on scriptural annotation, some other ancient text or simply silly conjecture?....
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Nothing? I'm providing LOGIC!!! No, my logic is that YHWH or the tetragrammaton NIN' stands for King of Kings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton

Therefore a mortal King gave his daughter Sarah to Abraham which explains why only the kids of Sarah have a right to inheritance and not the kids of Hagar.






not to the Ten Commandments, no....did you forget what it was you were trying to prove already?....
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Wrong! I said those laws were well known even before YHWH visited the Israelites/Moses. Also Moses was trained and advised by a Median high priest Jethro.

And many Laws existed prior to Moses. Example?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Ur-Nammu

##1. If a man commits a murder, that man must be killed.
##2. If a man commits a robbery, he will be killed.


Your not doing so well are you?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
as a blanket statement?....no, I cannot....there are many things which the Bible is historically accurate about.....is it intended to be an accurate depiction of history?......no.....are there things that are stated to have occurred historically which can be proven not to be true, not that I am aware of......however, in summary the Bible exists to communicate the existence of God to his creation......to inform us that YHWH created the universe, that mankind fucked it up, that Jesus Christ incarnated to restore what we fucked up and present us with the means of reconciliation with God.....within the framework of that communication there are no errors......
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ROTFLOL!!!! These politician type apologists are too much!!! Is it intended to be an accurate description? According to most faithful it is GOD breathed and therefore cannot be in error. Unfortunately for them. There are lots of errors and also multiple accounts of events with different figures.

The Bible speaks of a Lord/King that brought righteous rule, yes, and that corruption eventually set in. Jesus came and set them straight and explained the true GOD.

Did you know that if you add up all the Ages of the people from Adam till now the earth is only 7,000 or so years old, yet scientists say the earth is millions of years old?lol
 
PostmodernProphet said:
however, Canaan did not come from Sarah's father because he was already married to Sarah when he set out from the land he had (Harran) and took everything he had to a new place (Canaan).....if Sarah's father gave him land it was in Harran, not Canaan......
Genesis 12
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I see your a little rusty in Biblical history.lol The "Lord" told him to leave the land of HIS FATHER Harran and that his KIDs would inherit the land of Canaan.


Genesis 12:6-7

New International Version (NIV)


6 Abram traveled through the land as far as the site of the great tree of Moreh at Shechem. At that time the Canaanites were in the land. 7 The Lord appeared to Abram and said, “To your offspring I will give this land.” So he built an altar there to the Lord, who had appeared to him.



Leviticus 20:23-24

23 You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going to drive out before you. Because they did all these things, I abhorred them. 24 But I said to you, “You will possess their land; I will give it to you as an inheritance, a land flowing with milk and honey.” I am the Lord your God, who has set you apart from the nations.


Notice how Sarah KNOWS it's her land, not Abraham's?


Genesis 21:9-11

New International Version (NIV)


9 But Sarah saw that the son whom Hagar the Egyptian had borne to Abraham was mocking, 10 and she said to Abraham, “Get rid of that slave woman and her son, for that woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac.”

11 The matter distressed Abraham greatly because it concerned his son.


The strange thing is that according to Babylonian Law at the time? Ishmael would still be considered first born and thus the rightful Heir. But HEY! If Rebecca can trick Esau out of his inheritance(even though according to the Lord's law, he is the heir)? Then Sarah can do the same. Plus the Lord gave Ishmael his own land.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Wrong! I said those laws were well known even before YHWH visited the Israelites/Moses.
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well, actually no....you said....
wiseones2cents said:
The Hummarabi code predates the ten commandments of Moses and the Jews.
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and you said....
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The ten commandments more or less are included in the Hummurabi code.
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and then I laughed at you.....and then I proved that everyone should laugh at you......
 
wiseones2cents said:
Did you know that if you add up all the Ages of the people from Adam till now the earth is only 7,000 or so years old, yet scientists say the earth is millions of years old?lol
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gosh, Mr Usscher, I'd heard you were dead.......(actually, you're probably not him.....you're just someone who's made the same fundamental mistake that he did).......
 
wiseones2cents said:
The "Lord" told him to leave the land of HIS FATHER Harran
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??....his father's name was Terah....
Genesis 11
27 This is the account of Terah’s family line.
Terah became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran. And Haran became the father of Lot. 28 While his father Terah was still alive, Haran died in Ur of the Chaldeans, in the land of his birth.

So he built an altar there to the Lord, who had appeared to him.
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so, your argument is, he built an altar to his father in law?......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
logic builds upon a foundation of some sort....do have one?....

did you realize that the phrase King of Kings appears no where in the article you linked to as support?.....
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I guess you are not paying attention. Do you know what the Tetragrammaton is? It looks like 2 N's and an I? Basically the inscription means "King of Kings"
 
PostmodernProphet said:
well, actually no....you said...
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And it DOES predate the laws of Moses.


and you said....
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Exactly: I said more or less.

Ex. Law #22: "If any one is committing a robbery and is caught, then he shall be put to death."

Law #195. If a son has struck his father, his hands shall be cut off.

Law #4 . If he has borne false witness in a civil law case, he shall pay the damages in that suit.

Law #129. If a man's wife be caught lying with another, they shall be strangled and cast into the water. If the wife's husband would save his wife, the king can save his servant.

Now bear in mind, this is way before Moses' commandments. So They re not exactly the same but you can see what inspired the Ten Commandments.




and then I laughed at you.....and then I proved that everyone should laugh at you......
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Then I provided a Law code even older then both Moses's code Tablets and Hammurabi code tablets. After you said that shall not murder is no in Hammurabi's code. And I explained it was one of the OLDEST laws. And at number 1 here it is. Did the "god" of the Jews visit the Sumerians 1000 years earlier then Moses?lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Ur-Nammu

##1. If a man commits a murder, that man must be killed.
##2. If a man commits a robbery, he will be killed.

Now I proved why everyone should laugh and you and your beliefs.
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
gosh, Mr Usscher, I'd heard you were dead.......(actually, you're probably not him.....you're just someone who's made the same fundamental mistake that he did).......
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Really? Maybe YOU can explain why if you add all the ages of the Jewish Patriarchs the earth was created 7000 years ago? This will be entertaining. :)
 
PostmodernProphet said:
??....his father's name was Terah....
Genesis 11
27 This is the account of Terah’s family line.
Terah became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran. And Haran became the father of Lot. 28 While his father Terah was still alive, Haran died in Ur of the Chaldeans, in the land of his birth.



so, your argument is, he built an altar to his father in law?......
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Yes but they(Terah and family) had settled in Harran! The "Lord" which was a TRIBAL king, told them to settle else where. That he had given them their own land. Altars and temples like Ziggurats were used as a place to pay homage and later taxes to the local King/or ruling ancestor. Like a poll tax.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziggurat
 
wiseones2cents said:
Nothing? I'm providing LOGIC!!! No, my logic is that YHWH or the tetragrammaton NIN' stands for King of Kings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton
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wouldn't it have helped your logic if you had used a link which at least referred to the tetragrammaton NIN'?........

then you might have had a foundation upon which to build the claim that ....
Therefore a mortal King gave his daughter Sarah to Abraham which explains why only the kids of Sarah have a right to inheritance and not the kids of Hagar.
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Wrong! I said those laws were well known even before YHWH visited the Israelites/Moses.
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so you are denying you said what I quoted you as saying?.....

Also Moses was trained and advised by a Median high priest Jethro
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???....Jethro was his father in law......

Your not doing so well are you?
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actually, I have to disagree.....
 
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