Christian Nationalism is an enemy of democracy.

Taichiliberal said:
All this BS got started when Eisenhower inserted "under God" in the pledge of Allegiance and gave Billy Graham a node and platform in his misguided attempt to thwart burgeoning communism from the USSR. The final kibosh was when Reagan opened the tent flap and gave the fringe evangelicals a seat at the table. Hell, even Nixon warned that letting these clowns in would hurt the party.

And here we are.
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Callinectes said:
the pure democracy you so long for works for these low population countries you love. It would be a recurring nightmare for this country
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Hello Callinectes, thank you for that interesting reply.

The democracy you refer to - aka the Westminster model - consists of electing MPs to a national parliament. The head of state is not elected and has little or no power. That's the crucial difference from the US. The people, or "mob" as you call them, could not elect a Trump figure even if they wanted one - which of course they don't.

This country needs different things at different times. Right now it needs resolved, constitutional, confident and sane management
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You don't think the US needs a responsible conservative party for the system to work? That's all right then; it hasn't got one.

As for sane management, you think that will emerge from a party apparently dominated by Trump cultists with a leavening of Christian Nationalists? Good luck with that.
 
BidenPresident said:
“A worldview that claims God as a political partisan and dehumanizes one’s political opponents as evil is fundamentally antidemocratic.” He tells me, “A mind-set that believes that our nation was divinely ordained to be a promised land for Christians of European descent is incompatible with the U.S. Constitution’s guarantee of freedom of religion and equality of all.” If one is convinced God wants only one side to govern, then democracy falls by the wayside. That’s not even the subtext of the Meadows and Thomas messages; it’s out in the open. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ckson-hearings-reveal-politics-of-absolutism/
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Is Muslim nationalism an enemy of democracy, too?
 
Callinectes said:
Yes, let's consider the anglosphere. The total population of which is 131,128,049. A little more than a third of the population of the U.S. Canada alone has less people than the entire state of california. I’ve said it before, the pure democracy you so long for works for these low population countries you love. It would be a recurring nightmare for this country, I offer into evidence the 2020 election. This is the closest you’ve ever gotten to that pure democracy (aka “mob rule”), with those damn mail in ballots. And look what it got you, an incompetent demented turnip whose biggest issue is what flavor ice cream to have after he mumbles through a nonsensical press conference. How I long for the days when you wanted to invoke the 25th amendment over Trump’s “covfefe” tweet. I’m a (mostly) law abiding American military veteran. If I want to “ tote my armory around town”, I’ll do it, and chances are you wouldn’t know about it anyway. My health insurance is through my employer, it is very good and my co-pays are reasonable, not to mention I do not feel entitled to free health care. If Trump ever lied about anything, #1, it didn’t affect me personally and #2, it didn’t significantly (or even insignificantly) alter the path the nation was on, which was a damn good path. And do you seriously believe ’tater head is representing YOU to the world in a positive light? He’s the first clown out of the clown car in this circus. This country needs different things at different times. Right now it needs resolved, constitutional, confident and sane management, because I refuse to be “led” by a boob the likes of joe fucking biden.
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Well-stated. They really don't want democracy, do they?
 
Taichiliberal said:
All this BS got started when Eisenhower inserted "under God" in the pledge of Allegiance and gave Billy Graham a node and platform in his misguided attempt to thwart burgeoning communism from the USSR. The final kibosh was when Reagan opened the tent flap and gave the fringe evangelicals a seat at the table. Hell, even Nixon warned that letting these clowns in would hurt the party. And here we are.
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Is that so?

Precisely what legal grounds would any American political party have to disbar supporters on account of their religious beliefs (or lack of same)?

BTW, "node"?
 
BidenPresident said:
That’s a problem that goes way beyond the Supreme Court. Democracy functions only with restraint, good-faith application of procedural rules and devotion to the principle that the other side gets to govern when it wins. That concept is now an anathema to the GOP. As Thomas Zimmer has written for the Guardian, “Many Republicans agree that the Democratic Party is a fundamentally illegitimate political faction — and that any election outcome that would lead to Democratic governance must be rejected as illegitimate as well.”
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"As Thomas Zimmer has written"...eh?

Well, then it must be the truth!
 
guno said:
What Is Christian Nationalism?

Christian nationalism is the belief that the American nation is defined by Christianity, and that the government should take active steps to keep it that way. Popularly, Christian nationalists assert that America is and must remain a “Christian nation”—not merely as an observation about American history, but as a prescriptive program for what America must continue to be in the future. Scholars like Samuel Huntington have made a similar argument: that America is defined by its “Anglo-Protestant” past and that we will lose our identity and our freedom if we do not preserve our cultural inheritance.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/february-web-only/what-is-christian-nationalism.html

Scholars, activists brief lawmakers on role of Christian nationalism at insurrection

Raskin opened the virtual briefing by noting that while a variety of ideologies were represented among insurrectionists, Christian nationalism “clearly figured highly in the events of the day,” and was “a unifying theme for many of the factions that assembled on January 6.”

His words were echoed by an array of panelists who presented findings from a recent report they helped author with backing from the Freedom from Religion Foundation and the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty. Among other things, the 66-page study documents in painstaking detail the prevalence of Christian nationalist symbols and rhetoric at the insurrection and a series of events that led up to the storming of the Capitol.

Amanda Tyler, head of the BJC, told lawmakers the report faced “defensive pushback” from some conservative Christians after it was unveiled last month but has been embraced by Christians who see opposing Christian nationalism as a religious call.



“Let’s be clear: Christianity does not and cannot unite Americans under a national identity,” Tyler said, adding that Christian nationalism “debases Christianity.”

https://religionnews.com/2022/03/18...ole-of-christian-nationalism-at-insurrection/
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That's just the opposite of why the founding fathers had the 1st amendment
 
Tranquilizers in Equines said:
The fundamental problem is that Republicans have won a majority of the popular vote for president just ONCE in the past thirty years. It won't get much better, and they know it. So obviously democracy isn't working. Gotta find something else. They could try building a responsible, tolerant, moderate conservative party of a type found in many other advanced countries. But they'd have to start from scratch ...
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So you want to negate the safeguards built into our elections to prevent a tyranny of the majority and force the left's political opposition into becoming an effective shadow of what political opposition is.
 
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