China Stupidity: Creating a single point of failure, why?

[Monad Portal]

I am right a high percentage of the time, thats what the education was for.

Listen or dont....it is all the same to me.

I tried to help you.

I feel great.

good for you.

you're wrong on this one.

quit pretending youre not chinese.

 

[Monad Portal]

Thank you.

1) 'favored nation status' has nothing to do with anything but trade.
MFN does not even mention human rights.
And nor should it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_favoured_nation

As Ron Paul rightly says (paraphrased), cutting off trade with 'naughty' countries does nothing to stop them being 'naughty'.
Look at Russia?
They were cut off.
Didn't stop them in the slightest from continuing to invade Ukraine.

US embargoed Cuba to try and stop them being communist roughly 60 years ago.
That failed TOTALLY.

Trade and human rights should NEVER be mixed.
The more a country depends on trade?
The less likely they will be to end that trade they depend on by acting lousy.

The main reason China has not invaded Taiwan now is probably because to embargo them would hurt their economy too much.
Because they are now strong enough militarily to do it.
Trade has saved Taiwan's butts (for now).

Trade and military's should never be mixed.
America should either attack Russia IN Ukraine directly or stay the fuck out of it completely - including embargoes and giving Ukraine GINORMOUS stuff at taxpayer's expense
(I would choose the latter myself - it's none of our business. Their mess is not worth dying for).


2) who ever said you need to be dependent on other countries?
No one I can remember.

Free trade is great.
It allows consumers to benefit from lower prices all over the globe.
And raises the general standard of living - especially amongst the lower classes.

Now, I am against letting China get away with copyright infringements.
And I would have taken them to task MUCH harder on the Uyghur genocide AND the Spratly's they have stolen (against international law) AND causing Covid and letting it spread.
But I would have threatened military responses - a military run embargo.
How?
I would have taken back the Spratly's - by force if necessary - and given them back to their rightful owners.
And demanded a trillion or two dollars in compensation for Covid PLUS demanded free, UN access to examine the Uyghur genocide.
If China failed to accommodate us?
I would threaten China with a naval blockade if they failed on either.

But there is a big difference between restricting trade/tariffs and a naval blockade.

One is for wusses.
And does little.
As history has shown.

The other is military and risks war.
Which is fine by me.

America is going to have to fight China one day - eventually (probably).
Better to do it now (or at least use our superiority to force them to back off), whilst we are still stronger than they are.
Rather than wait a few generations when we no longer are.

And Obama, Trump and Biden have let China push their weight around FAR too much in the last 10+ years or so.
And forget Trump's tariffs.
They did nothing to even slow down China.

It must stop.
America MUST stand up to China militarily - whilst we still can.
We must force them to act decently with the threat of war.

lol.
your globalist rationales for this are stupid and moronic.

the new globalists have abandoned improving these other countries.

the new globalists want to perpetuate overseas slavery and misery with huge p.o. from america to be manufactured by slaves at great profit, to the detriment of the american middle class. that's why they want human rights out of the equation.

shameful.

 

[Rune]

Chinese products are crap. They can make good stuff, but choose not to. In the automotive parts world, they have really damaged the industry. Especially restoration parts, because you can't tell where it's made most times, even after the part is delivered. I went through 4 sets of lifters several years ago, from four different brands, before I got a set that worked.

Not really.
Chinese manufacturers offer 5 price levels, from bubble gum machine quality to spaceship quality.
Most US importers choose price level 2, or junk, when for a little more cost they could have provided the quality of level 3 but they are too greedy.

 

[McRocket]

lol.
your globalist rationales for this are stupid and moronic.

the new globalists have abandoned improving these other countries.

the new globalists want to perpetuate overseas slavery and misery with huge p.o. from america to be manufactured by slaves at great profit, to the detriment of the american middle class. that's why they want human rights out of the equation.

shameful.

Is Ron Paul a 'Globalist'?
He is for free trade.

Answer the fucking question...if you dare.
You low IQ coward.

Slavery?
What the FUCK are you babbling about you uneducated hack?

I am not talking about one, world government.
I am talking about free trade and what is better for America for America.

You paranoid moron.

 

[McRocket]

completely wrong, globalist neocon.

human rights should be included in mfn.

trade shoud be mixed with everything.

We can defeat them now by stop buying their cheap crap.

a hot war is stupid.



steep tariffss are enough..

you're just a globalist neocon military industrial complex shill.

You are obviously at least, partially illiterate.

I said NOTHING of that.
I am NOT talking about a 'hot war'...idiot.
I am talking about preventing a hot war later that America cannot win.
No way China will start a war with America over this stuff, when they know they will lose.
But they MUST be challenged militarily.
Or America is doomed as THE world power.

Fuck...you are just a paranoid loser.
Who cannot even read properly.

 

[McRocket]

china is a fucking paper tiger.

people saying we simply cannot stop trading with them are moronic sold out idiots.

So what is your proposition?

All you do is whine.

But you offer NOTHING to solve your problem.

So...what the fuck is your idea then...loser?
And include specifics.
Not just random nonsense that you pull out of your ass.
Or are you even capable of an intelligent, coherent and well-structured argument.

I SERIOUSLY doubt it.


And...'have America make more stuff' is NOT an answer based on anything but fantasyland, Pixie dust.
Back it up with data and facts.
SPECIFICS!!!
Though I HIGHLY doubt you have the brains OR the education to do that.

 

[Monad Portal]

So what is your proposition?

All you do is whine.

But you offer NOTHING to solve your problem.

So...what the fuck is your idea then...loser?

extreme tariffs.

and repatriation of key industries.

 

[Monad Portal]

Is Ron Paul a 'Globalist'?
He is for free trade.

Answer the fucking question...if you dare.
You low IQ coward.

Slavery?
What the FUCK are you babbling about you uneducated hack?

I am not talking about one, world government.
I am talking about free trade and what is better for America for America.

You paranoid moron.

you're talking about internationalist fascism.

 

[Monad Portal]

You are obviously at least, partially illiterate.

I said NOTHING of that.
I am NOT talking about a 'hot war'...idiot.
I am talking about preventing a hot war later that America cannot win.
No way China will start a war with America over this stuff, when they know they will lose.
But they MUST be challenged militarily.
Or America is doomed as THE world power.

Fuck...you are just a paranoid loser.
Who cannot even read properly.

You suck at thinking are about the level of a mitt romney level traitor.

 

[McRocket]

extreme tariffs.

and repatriation of key industries.

I asked for specifics...idiot.
That is NOT specifics.

Tariffs on what?
At what level?
With what limits?
To what end?

And what the fuck will America's poor do when almost everything goes WAY up in price and they cannot afford things?
What then?
And what about the middle classes?
inflation is already running the hottest in 40 years.
Now you want to raise prices even more/
OHHHHHHHHH...fucking brilliant!!!

And is this tariffs on ALL imports?
Or just from China?

You realize that many manufacturing goods come from other, poor nations like Vietnam and the like.
Are you going to tariff them as well?


I can see you have not got a clue what you are talking about.

 

[McRocket]

You suck at thinking are about the level of a mitt romney level traitor.

Either you did not read my post.
Or you did not understand it.

I assume the latter.

You are nothing but a loser troll.
I doubt you have ever, even seen the inside of a post-secondary educational facility.
Unless it was to clean it.

 

[McRocket]

you're talking about internationalist fascism.

Is Ron Paul a 'Globalist'?
He is for free trade.

Answer the fucking question...if you dare.
You low IQ coward.

 

[Monad Portal]

I asked for specifics...idiot.
That is NOT specifics.

Tariffs on what?
At what level?
With what limits?
To what end?

And what the fuck will America's poor do when almost everything goes WAY up in price and they cannot afford things?
What then?
And what about the middle classes?
inflation is already running the hottest in 40 years.
Now you want to raise prices even more/
OHHHHHHHHH...fucking brilliant!!!

And is this tariffs on ALL imports?
Or just from China?

You realize that many manufacturing goods come from other, poor nations like Vietnam and the like.
Are you going to tariff them as well?


I can see you have not got a clue what you are talking about.

would you agree to a tariff on anything?

you're a globalist zealot. your ilk is ideologically (idiotically) motivated and beyond good faith and reason.

 

[Monad Portal]

Either you did not read my post.
Or you did not understand it.

I assume the latter.

You are nothing but a loser troll.
I doubt you have ever, even seen the inside of a post-secondary educational facility.
Unless it was to clean it.

Im a man of priniciple and logic.

trumps main message is anti globalization.

why do you even like him?

or admit you don't and are a cheney republican.

 

[McRocket]

would you agree to a tariff on anything?

you're a globalist zealot. your ilk is ideologically (idiotically) motivated and beyond good faith and reason.

Depends on the circumstances.
But I am against protectionism.
It is largely what caused the Great Depression.

Now ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION.
OR are you too much of a moron and/or a coward to do so?

Tariffs on what?
At what level?
With what limits?
To what end?

And what the fuck will America's poor do when almost everything goes WAY up in price and they cannot afford things?
What then?
And what about the middle classes?
inflation is already running the hottest in 40 years.
Now you want to raise prices even more!!!
OHHHHHHHHH...fucking brilliant!!!

And is this tariffs on ALL imports?
Or just from China?

You realize that many manufacturing goods come from other, poor nations like Vietnam and the like.
Are you going to tariff them as well?


I can see you have not got a clue what you are talking about.


You made the fucking point.
You started the fucking thread.
Now answer the fucking questions about it.

 

[McRocket]

Im a man of priniciple and logic.

trumps main message is anti globalization.

why do you even like him?

or admit you don't and are a cheney republican.

You are nothing but a stupid, macroeconomic fool.
Whose only solution is protectionism.
Which is largely what caused the Great Depression...you fucking idiot.
I am for free trade amongst nations.
Free market economics.
The American Way!!!!



I despise both parties...you fucking moron.
If there is any politician I am a fan of.
It's Dr. Ron Paul.

 

[Monad Portal]

another fucking spook....

 

[McRocket]

another fucking spook....

He does not DARE answer even the simplest questions on the subject that HE BEGAN.

Now ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION.
OR are you too much of a moron and/or a coward to do so?

Tariffs on what?
At what level?
With what limits?
To what end?

And what the fuck will America's poor do when almost everything goes WAY up in price and they cannot afford things?
What then?
And what about the middle classes?
inflation is already running the hottest in 40 years.
Now you want to raise prices even more!!!
OHHHHHHHHH...fucking brilliant!!!

And is this tariffs on ALL imports?
Or just from China?

You realize that many manufacturing goods come from other, poor nations like Vietnam and the like.
Are you going to tariff them as well?


I can see you have not got a clue what you are talking about.


You made the fucking point.
You started the fucking thread.
Now answer the fucking questions about it.

 

[Monad Portal]

You are nothing but a stupid, macroeconomic fool.
Whose only solution is protectionism.
Which is largely what caused the Great Depression...you fucking idiot.
I am for free trade amongst nations.
Free market economics.
The American Way!!!!



I despise both parties...you fucking moron.
If there is any politician I am a fan of.
It's Dr. Ron Paul.

yep. globalist internationalist fascist.

that's you.

 

[McRocket]

yep. globalist internationalist fascist.

that's you.

Now ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION.
Or are you too much of a moron and/or a coward to do so?

Tariffs on what?
At what level?
With what limits?
To what end?

And what the fuck will America's poor do when almost everything goes WAY up in price and they cannot afford things?
What then?
And what about the middle classes?
inflation is already running the hottest in 40 years.
Now you want to raise prices even more!!!
OHHHHHHHHH...fucking brilliant!!!

And is this tariffs on ALL imports?
Or just from China?

You realize that many manufacturing goods come from other, poor nations like Vietnam and the like.
Are you going to tariff them as well?


I can see you have not got a clue what you are talking about.


You made the fucking point.
You started the fucking thread.
Now answer the fucking questions about it.