Charter School Failures in Ohio

The Dude said:
I'm in nawlins and mine went to top flight Catholic school and I'm 97 percent atheist 3 percent catholic.
Schools are soo bad here if you are a college grad you send the rug rats to private school.
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Not here where I live. Our public high schools here in Dublin are substantially superior to the over whelming majority of private schools in our State in terms of academic performance. We also spend a lot more than ya'll do down there. Where you live in LA the typical property tax for a 2,000 sq.ft. home is around $600 annually. Here in Ohio typical property tax is around $1,500 annually. Where I live in Dublin it's closer to $2,500 annually.

One of the reasons why I'm opposed to Charter Schools is not that I'm opposed to the idea in principle but because how they are really just a charade in southern States to further undermine public education and a ploy to subsidize private education for the affluent at tax payer expense.

Though I do agree with you. If I lived in South Carolina or Alabama or Mississippi or Louisianna or Arkansas my kids would be going to private school. I sure as hell wouldn't burden them for the rest of their lives for what passes as public education in those States.
 
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Mott you are dead on.
I was raised by a single mom who was a nurse at a public health clinic.
I went to public school starting in 6th grade. They sat me in the back of the class with a 7 th grade math book.
Not because I was so good at math, the public school kids were that bad. I went to a country public school in new Iberia
(Cajun central la) they were way ahead of the metro schools in English.
I had to fight frequently in high school, luckily I live across the street from a family that had 6 sons who boxed and they got me to join the boxing club at 14.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Not here where I live. Our public high schools here in Dublin are substantially superior to the over whelming majority of private schools in our State in terms of academic performance. We also spend a lot more than ya'll do down there. Where you live in LA the typical property tax for a 2,000 sq.ft. home is around $600 annually. Here in Ohio typical property tax is around $1,500 annually. Where I live in Dublin it's closer to $2,500 annually.

One of the reasons why I'm opposed to Charter Schools is not that I'm opposed to the idea in principle but because how they are really just a charade in southern States to further undermine public education and a ploy to subsidize private education for the affluent at tax payer expense.

Though I do agree with you. If I lived in South Carolina or Alabama or Mississippi or Louisianna or Arkansas my kids would be going to private school. I sure as hell wouldn't burden them for the rest of their lives for what passes as public education in those States.
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Mott you keep talking like the South is the entire United States. Do you think there are no bad schools on the West Coast or in California? Should California not be allowed to have charter schools because you don't think the South should have them?
 
The Dude said:
Mott you are dead on.
I was raised by a single mom who was a nurse at a public health clinic.
I went to public school starting in 6th grade. They sat me in the back of the class with a 7 th grade math book.
Not because I was so good at math, the public school kids were that bad. I went to a country public school in new Iberia
(Cajun central la) they were way ahead of the metro schools in English.
I had to fight frequently in high school, luckily I live across the street from a family that had 6 sons who boxed and they got me to join the boxing club at 14.
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Well it's nice to know you fought for your education! :)
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Not here where I live. Our public high schools here in Dublin are substantially superior to the over whelming majority of private schools in our State in terms of academic performance. We also spend a lot more than ya'll do down there. Where you live in LA the typical property tax for a 2,000 sq.ft. home is around $600 annually. Here in Ohio typical property tax is around $1,500 annually. Where I live in Dublin it's closer to $2,500 annually.

One of the reasons why I'm opposed to Charter Schools is not that I'm opposed to the idea in principle but because how they are really just a charade in southern States to further undermine public education and a ploy to subsidize private education for the affluent at tax payer expense.

Though I do agree with you. If I lived in South Carolina or Alabama or Mississippi or Louisianna or Arkansas my kids would be going to private school. I sure as hell wouldn't burden them for the rest of their lives for what passes as public education in those States.
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Of course, living in Dublin, you must have to deal with a lot of alcohol-related problems, eh lad?
 
cawacko said:
Mott you keep talking like the South is the entire United States. Do you think there are no bad schools on the West Coast or in California? Should California not be allowed to have charter schools because you don't think the South should have them?
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No absolutely not. Just that the problem is more pervasive and across the board in the south than it is in other parts of the country.

We have similiar problems here in Ohio based more on socio-economic status, as I'm sure you're well aware, and which also has an element of racism.

My district pays what it does for public education because it's very affluent with the end result that our schools are some of the best in the nation. In south east Ohio, typical property tax rates are around $1,000 for a 2,000 sq. ft. home....if you can afford one and no surprizingly they have the worst public schools in the State. In urban areas typical tax rates are around $1,200 to $1,500 for a 2,000 sq. ft. home and they vary from good to awful. Same in west and northern rural areas of the State. Typical tax rates are around $1,500 for a 2000 sq. ft home which is around the national average and that's about what our high schools are in small town industrial Ohio. Average.

The difference lies in that you do not have the systematic undermining of public education to the degree that you see in the south. Much of the educational problems we see in large northern urban areas arize from other socio-economic issues.
 
I'd like to get back to Threedee's comment. Would sanctioning parents for their childrens performance in school make a difference? Would they start to care about their kids doing well in school if they knew they have to pay a price if they don't? I'm not talking about punishing parents cause their kids bombed an exam of flunked high school algebra. I'm talking about fining parents if the kid is truent or disruptive or violent or causes other problems in school. Hold the parents responsible for the kids behavior in school.
 
cawacko said:
Mott you keep talking like the South is the entire United States. Do you think there are no bad schools on the West Coast or in California? Should California not be allowed to have charter schools because you don't think the South should have them?
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Mutt belittles the Southern States because he is embarrassed by the fact so many of them are better than Ohio.
 
Superfreak said:
Mutt belittles the Southern States because he is embarrassed by the fact so many of them are better than Ohio.
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Nope, Southern States are the worst. They are un-American, ignorant, inbred, insufferable, and generally speaking the biggest obstacle American progress faces on a constant and historical basis. Ohio and New Jersey are simply the worst of real America.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Not here where I live. Our public high schools here in Dublin are substantially superior to the over whelming majority of private schools in our State in terms of academic performance. We also spend a lot more than ya'll do down there. Where you live in LA the typical property tax for a 2,000 sq.ft. home is around $600 annually. Here in Ohio typical property tax is around $1,500 annually. Where I live in Dublin it's closer to $2,500 annually.

One of the reasons why I'm opposed to Charter Schools is not that I'm opposed to the idea in principle but because how they are really just a charade in southern States to further undermine public education and a ploy to subsidize private education for the affluent at tax payer expense.

Though I do agree with you. If I lived in South Carolina or Alabama or Mississippi or Louisianna or Arkansas my kids would be going to private school. I sure as hell wouldn't burden them for the rest of their lives for what passes as public education in those States.
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http://247wallst.com/special-report/2013/01/16/states-with-the-best-and-worst-schools/2/

Arkansas, KY, GA... all in the top ten... no Ohio... so Arkansas gives Mutt the collective middle finger.

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Mott the Hoople said:
UnHuh...Move to Arkansas and tell me if you'd send your kids to public school there.
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LMAO... lived there for six years, went to their public schools... you obviously have not been there.

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2013/01/16/states-with-the-best-and-worst-schools/2/
 
Superfreak said:
http://247wallst.com/special-report/2013/01/16/states-with-the-best-and-worst-schools/2/

Arkansas, KY, GA... all in the top ten... no Ohio... so Arkansas gives Mutt the collective middle finger.

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LMAO... lived there for six years, went to their public schools... you obviously have not been there.

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2013/01/16/states-with-the-best-and-worst-schools/2/
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Jesus Christ dude. You cited the Wall Street Journal. They are basing their evaluation of their cost of education and not performance. Why don't you try a little more objective reference.

And I'll give Arkansas props. They have made tremendous improvement in recent years at the high school level. So have Kentucky and Tennessee...but as you can see....most of the South is at the bottom. In terms of total educational attainment they still have a long way to go.

In completing a high school diploma, 8 of the worst 10 states are southern. Including Arkansas

Same with completing undergraduate degrees. 8 of the worst 10 are in the south.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_educational_attainment
 
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Mott the Hoople said:
Jesus Christ dude. You cited the Wall Street Journal. They are basing their evaluation of their cost of education and not performance. Why don't you try a little more objective reference.

http://www.usnews.com/education/hig...ompare-in-the-2013-best-high-schools-rankings

And I'll give Arkansas props. They have made tremendous improvement in recent years. So have Kentucky and Tennessee...but as you can see....most of the South is at the bottom.
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http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/20...tc=EW-QC13-EWH
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Jesus Christ dude. You cited the Wall Street Journal. They are basing their evaluation of their cost of education and not performance. Why don't you try a little more objective reference.

And I'll give Arkansas props. They have made tremendous improvement in recent years at the high school level. So have Kentucky and Tennessee...but as you can see....most of the South is at the bottom. In terms of total educational attainment they still have a long way to go.

In completing a high school diploma, 8 of the worst 10 states are southern. Including Arkansas

Same with completing undergraduate degrees. 8 of the worst 10 are in the south.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_educational_attainment
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LMAO... try reading... the evaluation was not based on cost alone.
 
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