Charging an electric vehicle still cheaper than filling a gas one. MAGA wets panties.

Joe Capitalist said:
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Charging an electric car will likely cost significantly less than filling up an ICE car with gasoline or diesel.
But, how much can you save, and why is it cheaper to run on electrons than liquid fuel?

Overall Efficiency

Unlike internal combustion cars, electric cars have the upper hand because they use far less energy. According to the Department of Energy (DOE), a typical gasoline car would have an efficiency (energy to the wheels) of less than 25%. This means that the other 75% of energy would be lost as heat or used in other internal combustion engine systems. Disregarding the benefits of regenerative braking, electric cars have an efficiency of over 65%. The other 35% is energy lost in charging and drive system losses (battery system cooling and heat).

Regenerative Braking

In traditional non-hybrid cars, deceleration is primarily done with their friction brakes. This means that lots of kinetic energy is simply wasted as heat. In hybrids and EVs, most braking is done through capturing kinetic energy and transferring it as electrical energy back into the battery pack. With this braking method, electric cars can recuperate energy back into the battery rather than wasting the energy as heat into the surroundings. According to the DOE, a typical EV's total efficiency (factoring in regen) is around 90% in the combined cycle.

Conclusion

Each year, an electric car like the Leaf could save you $822 in fueling costs over a typical gasoline-powered sedan. In four years of ownership, this value could jump to $3,288, and in eight, you could save $6,576. With rising gasoline prices and an increased emphasis on electric vehicle incentives, now's the time to make the switch!

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HORSE SHIT. WHERE DOES THE ELECTRICITY COME FROM? HOW MANY AMP/HOURS DOES IT TAKE TO CHARGE AN EV..ON AVERAGE?
 
Joe Capitalist said:
https://insideevs.com/features/557987/ev-versus-gas-price-comparison/


Charging an electric car will likely cost significantly less than filling up an ICE car with gasoline or diesel.
But, how much can you save, and why is it cheaper to run on electrons than liquid fuel?

Overall Efficiency

Unlike internal combustion cars, electric cars have the upper hand because they use far less energy. According to the Department of Energy (DOE), a typical gasoline car would have an efficiency (energy to the wheels) of less than 25%. This means that the other 75% of energy would be lost as heat or used in other internal combustion engine systems. Disregarding the benefits of regenerative braking, electric cars have an efficiency of over 65%. The other 35% is energy lost in charging and drive system losses (battery system cooling and heat).

Regenerative Braking

In traditional non-hybrid cars, deceleration is primarily done with their friction brakes. This means that lots of kinetic energy is simply wasted as heat. In hybrids and EVs, most braking is done through capturing kinetic energy and transferring it as electrical energy back into the battery pack. With this braking method, electric cars can recuperate energy back into the battery rather than wasting the energy as heat into the surroundings. According to the DOE, a typical EV's total efficiency (factoring in regen) is around 90% in the combined cycle.

Conclusion

Each year, an electric car like the Leaf could save you $822 in fueling costs over a typical gasoline-powered sedan. In four years of ownership, this value could jump to $3,288, and in eight, you could save $6,576. With rising gasoline prices and an increased emphasis on electric vehicle incentives, now's the time to make the switch!

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Oh? How far will that vehicle go on a full charge then?
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Ford F-150 Lightning (only comes with super crew cab) - base vehicle - $39,999
Ford F-150 ICE with super crew cab - base vehicle - 37,700 - with added interior features to match Lightning - $38,195
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I'll stick with Nissan and Toyota. Much lower maintenance costs--at least in my experience. I can drive those into the ground at virtually no repair costs while the F-150 (and even worse the equivalent GM and Dodge products) will have serious costs by 100,000 miles. I also don't like the use of an aluminum body. While these are fine for cars and vehicles that will not be seeing abuse in use, a truck that is used to carry loads and subject to abuse in that loading, it's a bad thing.

I've accidently bumped and put minor dents in my trucks loading them with the backhoe, either using the forklift attachment or by bucket. A minor bump puts a small dent in the vehicle. With aluminum you get a tear which is far worse.

Also given the battery is on the bottom, it's subject to water ingress when fording (rare for me but I do it from time to time), damage from rocks when off road (more common), and bottoming the vehicle on rough terrain (again happens from time to time).

I'll pass on the F-150
 
Stringfellow Hawk said:
a whole 822 dollars for a car that will lose you $20-30k plus the first year of ownership, do all democrats suck at math?:laugh:
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So far as I've discovered. I've not met one yet that understands simple math like this, or probability math, or random number math, or statistical math.
Indeed, they spend most of their time denying them.
 
Into the Night said:
So far as I've discovered. I've not met one yet that understands simple math like this, or probability math, or random number math, or statistical math.
Indeed, they spend most of their time denying them.
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This is simple math, multiplication, and division, compounded by the real impact of environmental damage from gas guzzlers. Electrics were cheaper before and will be a lot cheaper as Putin's war continues. In the end, it is about costs. No esoteric math needed. Gas guzzlers were more expensive to run and are now even more so.
 
Grokmaster said:

HORSE SHIT. WHERE DOES THE ELECTRICITY COME FROM? HOW MANY AMP/HOURS DOES IT TAKE TO CHARGE AN EV..ON AVERAGE?
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The Tesla Model 3 uses a 400v battery and a built in 35 amp charger. Using a standard 120v outlet, voltage must be stepped up by four. They use a transformer to do that. Available current is correspondingly stepped down by four, leaving a measly 5A to charge with (assuming a 20a 120v circuit).

This battery is 60kwh capacity, meaning it can put out 60kw for one hour (ignoring the battery fire of course).

Assuming a constant current of 5A @ 400v, the battery can be charged in 30 hours on such a charger (assuming you start with a dead battery).

You can install a higher current charger, but it requires an electrician to install, since it's a high voltage high current circuit similar to an electric stove.
This type of charger can charge a dead battery to full charge in about eight hours.

Most EV owners don't drain the battery. They never drive that far. They use the car as a commuter car. T.A. Gardner can give you details on the costs of installing such a circuit.
 
Nordberg said:
The cost to operate an EV is under a buck an equivalent gallon.
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Electrons are not measured in gallons. There is no 'equivalent gallon'.

My car has a range of approx 300 miles on one fillup, which today costs about $50. It therefore costs 16 cents per mile in fuel.
'Under a buck' doesn't sound so good, does it?
 
Into the Night said:
Electrons are not measured in gallons. There is no 'equivalent gallon'.

My car has a range of approx 300 miles on one fillup, which today costs about $50. It therefore costs 16 cents per mile in fuel.
'Under a buck' doesn't sound so good, does it?
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What is 35 gallons X 13.5 MPG?

That's what my last truck did.

472, there it is..

Fuckin' gas gauge broke 2 weeks into me having it.

Thereafter I just figured how many miles left by how many gallons bought.

I never ran out. The rear end broke b4 that happened.

Cracker like me needed a heavier-duty truck.
 
Nordberg said:
And the future is for even chapter charging. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sponsor-story/ power-home-solar/2022/03/02/solar-panels-fueling-innovation-americas-driveways/9321511002/?fbclid=IwAR2qkPifaLJewM3mCn_m7VBO1h1WGDWCu-v8r31nXJpFIcfhrZVgncN6sto You guys are so antedeluvian in your thinking. Catch up. The world passed you by.
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Yout talking shit that is nonexistant in the real world, STFU.

You're so up your fantasy's ass, you can't see reality.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
https://insideevs.com/features/557987/ev-versus-gas-price-comparison/


Charging an electric car will likely cost significantly less than filling up an ICE car with gasoline or diesel.
But, how much can you save, and why is it cheaper to run on electrons than liquid fuel?

Overall Efficiency

Unlike internal combustion cars, electric cars have the upper hand because they use far less energy. According to the Department of Energy (DOE), a typical gasoline car would have an efficiency (energy to the wheels) of less than 25%. This means that the other 75% of energy would be lost as heat or used in other internal combustion engine systems. Disregarding the benefits of regenerative braking, electric cars have an efficiency of over 65%. The other 35% is energy lost in charging and drive system losses (battery system cooling and heat).

Regenerative Braking

In traditional non-hybrid cars, deceleration is primarily done with their friction brakes. This means that lots of kinetic energy is simply wasted as heat. In hybrids and EVs, most braking is done through capturing kinetic energy and transferring it as electrical energy back into the battery pack. With this braking method, electric cars can recuperate energy back into the battery rather than wasting the energy as heat into the surroundings. According to the DOE, a typical EV's total efficiency (factoring in regen) is around 90% in the combined cycle.

Conclusion

Each year, an electric car like the Leaf could save you $822 in fueling costs over a typical gasoline-powered sedan. In four years of ownership, this value could jump to $3,288, and in eight, you could save $6,576. With rising gasoline prices and an increased emphasis on electric vehicle incentives, now's the time to make the switch!

iu
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The avg elec car price is 56k

43% of Black workers earn less than $30,000 per year...u stupid fuck
 
Into the Night said:
Electrons are not measured in gallons. There is no 'equivalent gallon'.

My car has a range of approx 300 miles on one fillup, which today costs about $50. It therefore costs 16 cents per mile in fuel.
'Under a buck' doesn't sound so good, does it?
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You can do the math when you take the mileage that is charged and compare it to the gallons of gas that are required to go the same distances. Then subtract the cost of charging. When I get a 300-mile charge, I do complicated math and subtract what I used from what a full charge gives. Try and follow this. The autos computer keeps you fully aware of how much mileage you have when you get in the car. It also tells you everything about electric use. If you can understand a car screen ,you have it all done for .
By the way, you totally blew the math. You need to say how many gallons you bought. 50 bucks is a variable with changing gas prices.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
https://insideevs.com/features/557987/ev-versus-gas-price-comparison/


Charging an electric car will likely cost significantly less than filling up an ICE car with gasoline or diesel.
But, how much can you save, and why is it cheaper to run on electrons than liquid fuel?

Overall Efficiency

Unlike internal combustion cars, electric cars have the upper hand because they use far less energy. According to the Department of Energy (DOE), a typical gasoline car would have an efficiency (energy to the wheels) of less than 25%. This means that the other 75% of energy would be lost as heat or used in other internal combustion engine systems. Disregarding the benefits of regenerative braking, electric cars have an efficiency of over 65%. The other 35% is energy lost in charging and drive system losses (battery system cooling and heat).

Regenerative Braking

In traditional non-hybrid cars, deceleration is primarily done with their friction brakes. This means that lots of kinetic energy is simply wasted as heat. In hybrids and EVs, most braking is done through capturing kinetic energy and transferring it as electrical energy back into the battery pack. With this braking method, electric cars can recuperate energy back into the battery rather than wasting the energy as heat into the surroundings. According to the DOE, a typical EV's total efficiency (factoring in regen) is around 90% in the combined cycle.

Conclusion

Each year, an electric car like the Leaf could save you $822 in fueling costs over a typical gasoline-powered sedan. In four years of ownership, this value could jump to $3,288, and in eight, you could save $6,576. With rising gasoline prices and an increased emphasis on electric vehicle incentives, now's the time to make the switch!

iu
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trouble is you're stuck with an electric vehicle which turns to trash i 10 years. Kinda like a Yugo only WAY more expensive and useless in cold climates.
 
Nordberg said:
You can do the math when you take the mileage that is charged and compare it to the gallons of gas that are required to go the same distances. Then subtract the cost of charging. When I get a 300-mile charge, I do complicated math and subtract what I used from what a full charge gives. Try and follow this. The autos computer keeps you fully aware of how much mileage you have when you get in the car. It also tells you everything about electric use. If you can understand a car screen ,you have it all done for .
By the way, you totally blew the math. You need to say how many gallons you bought. 50 bucks is a variable with changing gas prices.
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Try and follow this : You're not pulling a full trailer at 80 mph with that thing.
 
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