Charging an electric vehicle still cheaper than filling a gas one. MAGA wets panties.

[Nordberg]

The Tesla Model 3 starts at $44,000 for the base model. It cannot carry nearly the load my cars do.

Which one?
I spent $12k on one and $25k on another (a high end model) and $14k on another and $13k on another.

I do my own repairs when necessary (rarely is) and all my own maintenance. All cars require maintenance, even EVs.
Oil is cheap. It change it approx twice a year. Gas and diesel oil are no more expensive than what you will wind up paying for keeping an EV charged for the same distance traveled.
Oh...and I don't have risk of battery fires like an EV has. Replacing the starter battery in a car is about $120. Replacing the battery on an EV (Tesla used as an example) is approx $25,000.
I can fuel a car in a few minutes. I don't have to wait hours and hours for an EV to charge. I can haul more than any Tesla too.

So electric cars are all dependent on the stories you tell. Is your repair and maintenance free? Does your work not count? Does your time? Try buying a pickup truck now. There are some with price tags over 100,000 bucks. You will not approach those numbers you gave.
Replacing batteries on electric cars is not routine maintenance. They will provide electricity for well over 100,000 miles. The routine maintenance is practically nonexistent.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

The higher price, generally $10,000 + over an ICE vehicle makes electric cars unaffordable to most people to begin with. And, when gas prices plummet again--and they will--battery cars will become even more unattractive.

Ford F-150 Lightning (only comes with super crew cab) - base vehicle - $39,999
Ford F-150 ICE with super crew cab - base vehicle - 37,700 - with added interior features to match Lightning - $38,195

 

[Stringfellow Hawk]

So it is all about you. There are electric trucks. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a29890843/full-electric-pickup-trucks/ They will fill your needs better.

fALSE, at 350 miles per charge, they suck

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Who are YOU to say the fill his needs better??? HE is the one best suited to decide what he wants to drive. YOU are not!

No. Electric pickup trucks are almost useless as trucks. They can't haul what a gas or diesel truck can haul anywhere near the same distance. EV trucks are EXPENSIVE too. The Ford electric F-150, for example, isn't going to do well in the marketplace. You had better take another look at what is on the road today!

They did so badly in the marketplace that the initial production for the next 3 years is sold out.

Ford has removed the ability for shoppers to leave a deposit on an upcoming F-150 Lightning electric pickup truck, which means every example the automaker plans to build over a 3-year run has been spoken for.

In May, Ford received about 44,000 reservations in the first 48 hours after unveiling the F-150 Lightning. Since then, the automaker has filled all 200,000 reservation slots.

https://www.autotrader.com/car-news...-before-the-first-consumer-bound-one-is-built

 

[Stringfellow Hawk]

Ford F-150 Lightning (only comes with super crew cab) - base vehicle - $39,999
Ford F-150 ICE with super crew cab - base vehicle - 37,700 - with added interior features to match Lightning - $38,195

gas powered will bring within 2k of selling price 2 years out, EV will bring 50% of selling price maybe

 

[Into the Night]

No, they won't. One reason is I often drive to locations over 150 miles away that have no power available.

Quite a sensible reason.

Thus a battery vehicle won't work for me even if I wanted one.

Agreed. Out and back is 300 miles, the total range of the EV.

Towing is another issue. You lose anything up to 40% range on a battery vehicle towing.

It varies. The more you tow, the shorter the range.

If I tow my backhoe and trailer (combined weight of about 3 tons) I lose that sort of range on a battery vehicle. So that doesn't work in my favor either. I can always carry more gasoline.

Quite right.

 

[Into the Night]

I always find it strange how vehemently opposed the right is to anything but the status quo on fossil fuels.

What status quo? Fossils aren't used as fuel. Fossils don't burn.

 

[Into the Night]

I read you can get 300-400 miles out of charge I also read that all the top 10 gas vehicles go over 500 mules on a tank of gas. the tipp goes most 600

Depends on the size of the tank (The size of the battery is limited by the car design). Some cars have extended range tanks.

 

[Into the Night]

So electric cars are all dependent on the stories you tell.

Nonsense statement. Pay attention to the conversation.

Is your repair and maintenance free?

Very little of it. It's a lot cheaper than paying a shop to do the job badly.

Does your work not count? Does your time?

It is part of my work.

Try buying a pickup truck now.

My last pickup truck cost me $14k. I buy used trucks.

There are some with price tags over 100,000 bucks.

A brand new Ford F-150 is $22000. It has 450hp and range of approx 750 miles on a single tank of fuel (driving unloaded). It takes a few minutes to refuel.
A brand new electric F-150 (F-150 Lightning) is $41000. It has a range of 230 miles on a single charge (driving unloaded). It takes hours to recharge.

You will not approach those numbers you gave.

The F-150 gasoline truck is less than what I paid for one of my vehicles (also brand new).

Replacing batteries on electric cars is not routine maintenance.
They will provide electricity for well over 100,000 miles.

Never said it was.
However, batteries must be replaced due to age (they don't last 10 years), damage (wrecks, stones, water exposure, etc), or damage caused by shipping or shop damage. ANY damage can start a class B battery fire. The more you use fast charging methods, the shorter the battery life.

The routine maintenance is practically nonexistent.

Sorry dude, you have to make sure your tires are properly inflated as always (that's seasonal, tires tend to show low as colder temperatures come on in autumn). You still need to do maintenance on the body like any car. Failures can also occur in the computer (a pain to deal with, since it CAN disable the car and only the dealer can correct it), any part of the control, motor train, or charging system (it's a machine, all machines can break).

I don't consider repairs on gasoline or diesel cars routine maintenance either. Changing oil is trivial and only needs to be done twice a year.

 

[Into the Night]

fALSE, at 350 miles per charge, they suck

The Ford F-150 Lightning has a range of 230 miles (unloaded).

 

[Into the Night]

They did so badly in the marketplace that the initial production for the next 3 years is sold out.

https://www.autotrader.com/car-news...-before-the-first-consumer-bound-one-is-built

They are not on the marketplace yet. The waiting list is due to the fact that the truck is not yet available for delivery.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

gas powered will bring within 2k of selling price 2 years out, EV will bring 50% of selling price maybe

Sure, just like Trump will win the election in 2020.

 

[Into the Night]

gas powered will bring within 2k of selling price 2 years out, EV will bring 50% of selling price maybe

Quite right. Resale price of EV's is horrible. People don't want to buy used batteries. The $25000 replacement cost is nasty.

 

[Into the Night]

Sure, just like Trump will win the election in 2020.

There was no election in 2020. You cannot win what never took place. You should work on your tenses. 2020 is in the past. What has this off topic comment to do with EVs?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

They are not on the marketplace yet. The waiting list is due to the fact that the truck is not yet available for delivery.

So you are claiming there is no market if someone orders something but hasn't yet received it? I wonder how Amazon feels about that.

 

[Into the Night]

So you are claiming there is no market if someone orders something but hasn't yet received it? I wonder how Amazon feels about that.

Never did. You are hallucinating again.

 

[Stringfellow Hawk]

The Ford F-150 Lightning has a range of 230 miles (unloaded).

that is even worse, our neighbor has one, spends more time plugged in than on the road

 

[Stringfellow Hawk]

Sure, just like Trump will win the election in 2020.

you mean just like Hillary would win in 2016 lol

 

[Stringfellow Hawk]

Quite right. Resale price of EV's is horrible. People don't want to buy used batteries. The $25000 replacement cost is nasty.

you can't give away a used EV here, hybrids are even worse

 

[Stringfellow Hawk]

https://insideevs.com/features/557987/ev-versus-gas-price-comparison/


Charging an electric car will likely cost significantly less than filling up an ICE car with gasoline or diesel.
But, how much can you save, and why is it cheaper to run on electrons than liquid fuel?

Overall Efficiency

Unlike internal combustion cars, electric cars have the upper hand because they use far less energy. According to the Department of Energy (DOE), a typical gasoline car would have an efficiency (energy to the wheels) of less than 25%. This means that the other 75% of energy would be lost as heat or used in other internal combustion engine systems. Disregarding the benefits of regenerative braking, electric cars have an efficiency of over 65%. The other 35% is energy lost in charging and drive system losses (battery system cooling and heat).

Regenerative Braking

In traditional non-hybrid cars, deceleration is primarily done with their friction brakes. This means that lots of kinetic energy is simply wasted as heat. In hybrids and EVs, most braking is done through capturing kinetic energy and transferring it as electrical energy back into the battery pack. With this braking method, electric cars can recuperate energy back into the battery rather than wasting the energy as heat into the surroundings. According to the DOE, a typical EV's total efficiency (factoring in regen) is around 90% in the combined cycle.

Conclusion

Each year, an electric car like the Leaf could save you $822 in fueling costs over a typical gasoline-powered sedan. In four years of ownership, this value could jump to $3,288, and in eight, you could save $6,576. With rising gasoline prices and an increased emphasis on electric vehicle incentives, now's the time to make the switch!

a whole 822 dollars for a car that will lose you $20-30k plus the first year of ownership, do all democrats suck at math?