CDC DROPS U.S death toll from Corona numbers by tens of thousands

Stone said:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm


Actually cut it in HALF! Great news. Shame the left wont see it as great. Whole thing was a scam from the start. New death toll........ 37,308.
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[h=6]Why these numbers are different[/h][FONT=&quot]Provisional death counts may not match counts from other sources, such as media reports or numbers from county health departments. Our counts often track 1–2 weeks behind other data for a number of reasons: Death certificates take time to be completed. There are many steps involved in completing and submitting a death certificate. Waiting for test results can create additional delays. States report at different rates. Currently, 63% of all U.S. deaths are reported within 10 days of the date of death, but there is significant variation among jurisdictions. It takes extra time to code COVID-19 deaths. While 80% of deaths are electronically processed and coded by NCHS within minutes, most deaths from COVID-19 must be coded manually, which takes an average of 7 days. Other reporting systems use different definitions or methods for counting deaths.[/FONT]
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Darth Omar said:
We need an accurate mortality rate.

There’s reason for optimism it will land in the same vicinity as the flu. If it does, it will calm a lot of nerves.

There’s also hope on the horizon for treatments. I don’t see it ‘going’ as in being The War for three years like it is now.
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Coronavirus drug trials that finish next month could see lockdown fully lifted by mid-summer as scientists investigate more than 120 options

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-trials-lockdown-fully-lifted-mid-summer.html
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/coronavirus-death-toll-cdc-misinformation
...Moreover, the National Vital Statistics System website makes clear that it has a significant lag in counting deaths because it relies on tabulating official death certificates it receives.
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"It is important to note that it can take several weeks for death records to be submitted to National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), processed, coded, and tabulated," reads a prominent disclaimer above the data. "Therefore, the data shown on this page may be incomplete, and will likely not include all deaths that occurred during a given time period, especially for the more recent time periods."...
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That's the key difference between the NCHS and CDC numbers, something Trumpeteers want to disregard.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
That's the key difference between the NCHS and CDC numbers, something Trumpeteers want to disregard.
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But still, they have separate categories for ‘death from COVID’ and ‘death with COVID’ and subtracting the latter from the total yields a lower number.

Myself and other ‘Trumpers’ have been complaining about them not doing that for weeks. Another complaint is that they have incentivized COVID for hospitals: hospitals get Medicare money for every COVID admission.

Many—if not literally every hospital, is strapped for cash because of the lockdown and the government provided an easy way for them to increase their cash flow. That’s a recipe for abusing the system if I’ve ever seen one. Hell, under the circumstances it’s hard to blame them.

Especially, since no one is going to audit them. It’s kind of impossible.

At any rate, the ‘Hope For Good Data Boat’ has set sail and left the harbor. At least we can be confident that whatever the final total is—it won’t be low.

In the meantime, we need more antibody tests done by private entities that have no ties to government money or otherwise incentivized to ‘find’ positive tests. Their results could negate a lot of the ‘slop in the system’.

And the preliminary results are quite encouraging. I wish the media would report on it more. Might even encourage some people to leave their houses.
 
Darth Omar said:
But still, they have separate categories for ‘death from COVID’ and ‘death with COVID’ and subtracting the latter from the total yields a lower number.

Myself and other ‘Trumpers’ have been complaining about them not doing that for weeks. Another complaint is that they have incentivized COVID for hospitals: hospitals get Medicare money for every COVID admission.

Many—if not literally every hospital, is strapped for cash because of the lockdown and the government provided an easy way for them to increase their cash flow. That’s a recipe for abusing the system if I’ve ever seen one. Hell, under the circumstances it’s hard to blame them.

Especially, since no one is going to audit them. It’s kind of impossible.

At any rate, the ‘Hope For Good Data Boat’ has set sail and left the harbor. At least we can be confident that whatever the final total is—it won’t be low.

In the meantime, we need more antibody tests done by private entities that have no ties to government money or otherwise incentivized to ‘find’ positive tests. Their results could negate a lot of the ‘slop in the system’.

And the preliminary results are quite encouraging. I wish the media would report on it more. Might even encourage some people to leave their houses.
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As Bret Weinstein has either said or almost said...."I really dont understand why the data is this bad....this is not that hard to do...somebody needs to explain this to me but no one is!".
 
Hawkeye10 said:
As Bret Weinstein has either said or almost said...."I really dont understand why the data is this bad....this is not that hard to do...somebody needs to explain this to me but no one is!".
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Part of the problem is death recordings often require a ‘judgment call’; and that’s especially true if the deceased had comorbid factors prior to death. For example, a nursing home resident who was going to likely expire before the end of the year from ________gets COVID and dies.

It’s like calling a charge in basketball: one ref might call the charge while another calls a block on the defender. Even the announcers can’t decide which was the right call.

Same sort of thing, and it’s been exacerbated by the fact so many COVID victims had/have at least one comorbid factor and in the case of nursing homes residents—they could have two or three.

Many of these people are exceedingly frail to begin with. And if any of these residents are shipped out to a hospital and die there—it’s easy to see how the death will be recorded.

But again with the antibody tests: people either have serum COVID antibodies—or they don’t. It’s no different than a pregnancy test in that sense.

That data is going to be pretty solid and we need more of it, desperately.
 
Darth Omar said:
Part of the problem is death recordings often require a ‘judgment call’; and that’s especially true if the deceased had comorbid factors prior to death. For example, a nursing home resident who was going to likely expire before the end of the year from ________gets COVID and dies.

It’s like calling a charge in basketball: one ref might call the charge while another calls a block on the defender. Even the announcers can’t decide which was the right call.

Same sort of thing, and it’s been exacerbated by the fact so many COVID victims had/have at least one comorbid factor and in the case of nursing homes residents—they could have two or three.

Many of these people are exceedingly frail to begin with. And if any of these residents are shipped out to a hospital and die there—it’s easy to see how the death will be recorded.

But again with the antibody tests: people either have serum COVID antibodies—or they don’t. It’s no different than a pregnancy test in that sense.

That data is going to be pretty solid and we need more of it, desperately.
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Six months in we still dont know how this bug kills people...

Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it...

Our experts SUCK ASS!
 
Darth Omar said:
But still, they have separate categories for ‘death from COVID’ and ‘death with COVID’ and subtracting the latter from the total yields a lower number....
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Be honest; you think the death count is a political machination, a vast, wide LW conspiracy. It's not. Get a fucking grip on reality.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Be honest; you think the death count is a political machination, a vast, wide LW conspiracy. It's not. Get a fucking grip on reality.
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How about we be honest with the numbers.

The CDC chart clearly categorizes ‘death from COVID’ differently than ‘death with COVID. It is what it is.

Rather than go on about conspiracies, whether the Bad Orange Man brought this pestilence upon us—or other political nonsense, the actually important thing is the CDC apparently recognizes that the death *from* COVID is the more important number.

For the simple reason that number will be used the calculate the COVID CFR.

You want that number to be as accurate as possible, right? Or would like to see it as high as possible—for some other reason?

Be honest.
 
Darth Omar said:
Part of the problem is death recordings often require a ‘judgment call’; and that’s especially true if the deceased had comorbid factors prior to death. For example, a nursing home resident who was going to likely expire before the end of the year from ________gets COVID and dies.

It’s like calling a charge in basketball: one ref might call the charge while another calls a block on the defender. Even the announcers can’t decide which was the right call.

Same sort of thing, and it’s been exacerbated by the fact so many COVID victims had/have at least one comorbid factor and in the case of nursing homes residents—they could have two or three.

Many of these people are exceedingly frail to begin with. And if any of these residents are shipped out to a hospital and die there—it’s easy to see how the death will be recorded.

But again with the antibody tests: people either have serum COVID antibodies—or they don’t. It’s no different than a pregnancy test in that sense.

That data is going to be pretty solid and we need more of it, desperately.
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“Likely expire”? :lolup:

Here’s the deal, you fucking idiots.

A person has lived with and successfully managed, a condition such as COPD, diabetes, asthma, congestive heart problems, on and on, for months or years. They become infected with coronavirus and die within a week or two. Now, use your fucking head. What do you think caused their death in that short window?
 
Lol, is this like the poll numbers they feed Trump because he didn’t like the real
polls? Sorry, I no longer trust the CDC.
 
Phantasmal said:
Lol, is this like the poll numbers they feed Trump because he didn’t like the real
polls? Sorry, I no longer trust the CDC.
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I never did. They are a plague of suffering when it comes to pain medication.
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So the chart goes to April 25 -the thing to do would be to compare the CDC numbers at that point
with the new numbers "with COVID" subtracted ( or from COVID) and compare the prior number to this chart

I'm working and can't do it -but I'm sure they have been revised down significantly
 
domer76 said:
“Likely expire”? :lolup:

Here’s the deal, you fucking idiots.

A person has lived with and successfully managed, a condition such as COPD, diabetes, asthma, congestive heart problems, on and on, for months or years. They become infected with coronavirus and die within a week or two. Now, use your fucking head. What do you think caused their death in that short window?
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That’s a COVID death.

What about the others that have been counted? According to the CDC chart their number is not insignificant.
 
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