Cars Without Borders: Does “Made in America” Really Matter Anymore?

Jerzy Kosinski said:
What are you taking lessons from Dammed Yankee now?
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Well if buying a Chevy (GM) gave money back to it's headquartered area, Detroit would get the money. It doesn't. And GM cars are made in other countries more and more, while 'foreign' cars are more and more made in America, so buying 'American' doesn't produce jobs here.
 
Jerzy Kosinski said:
I have a chevy. The quality is awesome. I disagree that the jap crap is better. It is nothing more than opinion. Nationalism is bullshit.
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Look, you were the one who said a preference for japanese cars had to be justified. I am not saying either is better or worse. I am simply calling the "buy american cars" for the bullshit that it is.
 
Jerzy Kosinski said:
I have a chevy. The quality is awesome. I disagree that the jap crap is better. It is nothing more than opinion. Nationalism is bullshit.
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Also, I have a '98 Jeep that is awesome. I also drive an '08 Chev Sierra 1500 that is a piece of shit. I owned several VWs and a Triumph that were excellent, and a Toyota Corolla that was junk.

But you can find out which are better and which are worse, for the most part, but doing a little research into the type of car you want. But saying someone should only buy american is simply nationalistic nonsense.
 
Jerzy Kosinski said:
The profits go to the shareholders. Where do the shareholders of Toyota live?
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A significant number of them live in the USA.

So now you are saying we should buy american to protect stockholders? Sounds like nationalism to me.
 
No, that's not what I am saying. I am saying we are shipping money out of the country which will then be invested elsewhere instead of here.
 
WinterBorn said:
That is a nice way to dodge the issue.

I do understand. I understand if you have to try and promote american cars thru patriotism then the cars must be inferior.

What I do not understand is why you would try to press your fellow americans to buy an inferior product? Why should I spend more and get less?
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Well I think there are good answers to those questions. First, American autos do not lag behind in quality, in terms of quality Honda is rated #1 with Ford#2, Toyota #3 and Followed by Nissan and GM.


Then there is the fact that many foreign importers and manufacturers in the US who sell autos have governments who subsidize, in many different forms, these companies in ways that are not possible for American manufacturers at home or abroad. So selling by patriotism is fair game. Ever seen some one from Asia driving a Ford? I know a lot of Asians and I only know two who drive American made cars. Point being, they buy by patriotism over in Japan, Korea, China and Germany.

I see nothing wrong with patriotism being a part of my buying decision in a car. First, I drive a Ford. Two of them. In terms of quality I'll put them up against cars from Honda and Toyota in those segments. My Windstar has nearly 200,000 miles on it, is nearly 12 y.o. has never had a serious break down, just routine maintenance, brakes, shocks, oil changes, etc., and it keeps right on plugging a long. Same with my wife's Focus SES ZX4. It just completely out performs the Honda Civic's (except the Civic Si) and the Toyota Corolla and is rated superior in reliability then the Corolla.

So this is a case where I can have my cake and eat it too. I'm proud to buy American but I expect American manufacturers to make the best product for the price.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Well I think there are good answers to those questions. First, American autos do not lag behind in quality, in terms of quality Honda is rated #1 with Ford#2, Toyota #3 and Followed by Nissan and GM.


Then there is the fact that many foreign importers and manufacturers in the US who sell autos have governments who subsidize, in many different forms, these companies in ways that are not possible for American manufacturers at home or abroad. So selling by patriotism is fair game. Ever seen some one from Asia driving a Ford? I know a lot of Asians and I only know two who drive American made cars. Point being, they buy by patriotism over in Japan, Korea, China and Germany.

I see nothing wrong with patriotism being a part of my buying decision in a car. First, I drive a Ford. Two of them. In terms of quality I'll put them up against cars from Honda and Toyota in those segments. My Windstar has nearly 200,000 miles on it, is nearly 12 y.o. has never had a serious break down, just routine maintenance, brakes, shocks, oil changes, etc., and it keeps right on plugging a long. Same with my wife's Focus SES ZX4. It just completely out performs the Honda Civic's (except the Civic Si) and the Toyota Corolla and is rated superior in reliability then the Corolla.

So this is a case where I can have my cake and eat it too. I'm proud to buy American but I expect American manufacturers to make the best product for the price.
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If the quality is the same, then it is simply a choice to be made by the buyer. But to make the remark that someone has to "justify buying" a car that is made in america but headquartered in another country is nonsense.

As I said before, I have owned american and foriegn made vehicles and found top quality and crap from both.
 
Yurt said:
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so that proves there are no SH's in america? so that proves toyota is not traded on NYSE?
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No dipshit, it proves that most of the profits from building and selling Toyota goes to a bank in Japan, the second largest bank in the world.
 
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