Can Trump And Putin Destroy The Deep State?

Cypress said:
I actually am flabbergasted that you blame America and it's allies for Putin's invasion of Georgia, his invasion of Crimea, and of eastern Ukraine.

What's next? Is Obama to blame for Putin assassinating journalists who are critical of him and putting political opponents in prison?
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It's just fucking mindboggling how brazen their naïve ignorance truly is.
 
blackascoal said:
It's just fucking mindboggling how brazen their naïve ignorance truly is.
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Not sure if it is ignorance, or if they just lifestyle submissives who are unable to form independent thoughts, preferring to grovel on their knees before the Orange Clown and parrot nonsense in defense of their hero.
 
Cypress said:
Not sure if it is ignorance, or if they just lifestyle submissives who are unable to form independent thoughts, preferring to grovel on their knees before the Orange Clown and parrot nonsense in defense of their hero.
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Whatever it is, it's traitorous.
 
Cypress said:
I actually am flabbergasted that you blame America and it's allies for Putin's invasion of Georgia, his invasion of Crimea, and of eastern Ukraine.

What's next? Is Obama to blame for Putin assassinating journalists who are critical of him and putting political opponents in prison?
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that's because you refuse to see geo-politics for what it is in regards to US/Russia.
You refuse to consider Putin has legitimate security concerns,
you might not like it -but he does just as does any nation.

So you wind up in an "us v 'them" mindset -where everything is either a US or Russian win.
So you do not understand that diplomacy is how you mitigate hostilities.

Right now Putin has Crimea and Donbass..Crimea is a done deal. forget it
( and he will never give up it because of access to Sevastopol.)

But why is he trying to federate the eastern Ukraine away from Kyiv?

Because the Parlimentary leader there who took over after Viktor Yanukovych decided his fate was with the US/west and not Russia.

Our meddling in the Euromaiden showed him and Poroshenko that the US was capable of exerting influence thru U.S.A.I.D. and direst pressures to overthrow a Uk government.

So Putin being unable to combat that -simply occupies and federates the power away from Kyiv under the guise of "protecting Russian nationals."

The way forward USING DIPLOMACY would be gradual lifting of the sanction in return for Putin pulling out of Donbass AND recognition that Crimea Referendum was legit

Your mind is stuck on "Putin is bad" and cannot see the power relationships -so everything between the US/Russia becomes a zero sum game to you.
 
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blackascoal said:
Nothing short of mindboggling.

You sir are no Vietnam hero, most certainly not a patriot.

Your weak ass mind has been compromised by America's biggest adversary.
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manage the relationship.we did it with the USSR -no reason it cannot be done with Russia.
Or continue to feed the MIC for a false sense of security, and worry about trip wire flare ups.
 
Amadeus said:
Thank you confirming without a SHADOW of a doubt that you sympathize with Putin's position and arguments. Your post could have come out of the Kremlin its so dripping with Putin sympathy.
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grotesque ignorance of realpolitik .Loving or hating Putin is immaterial to US/Russian relations.

See my sig: re Kissinger
 
I can only imagine if you jokers were around for the Cuban Missile Crisis:
we would have wound up invading Cuba and starting a nuclear war..
 
anatta said:
I can only imagine if you jokers were around for the Cuban Missile Crisis:
we would have wound up invading Cuba and starting a nuclear war..
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It was the Democratic president JFK that was level headed and deliberative about that crisis.

Your heroes, many rightwing Republicans and conservatives of the day, wanted to invade Cuba, deliberately spark a military confrontation, which had a much higher likelihood of ending in a nuclear conflagration than the path the Democratic leader chose.

Let me explain something about Russia to you: for centuries, empire and hegemony in their part of the world has been a Russian aspiration. It does not matter what you think Obama did, or what NATO did. Russians have believed in empire as their destiny since at least Peter the Great, and before. To them, the Ukainians are "little Russians". Little East Slavic brothers needing guidance and leadership.

The fact that Putin wants influence and control over the Ukrainians, the Belarusians, and others in Moscow's sphere of influence did not start because Obama was mean to Russia. Empire, hegemony, and Mastery over Eurasia has been, is, and will be for the foreseeable future, a widespread and enduring trait of the Russian national consciousness.

Blaming Obama and blaming NATO will not change that fundamental tenet.
 
evince said:
these fuckers cant even define what the deep state is


they are the easiest people to play on the face of the planet
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The deep state is any Black person or woman still working in the whitehouse that President Obama appointed or that worked for Clinton.

The cowardly right wing nut jobs just wont admit it.
 
anatta said:
manage the relationship.we did it with the USSR -no reason it cannot be done with Russia.
Or continue to feed the MIC for a false sense of security, and worry about trip wire flare ups.
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You can't even figure out the OBVIOUS underhanded bullshit right in front of your face.

Thread after thread about how the Russian investigation is worthless and how your orange clown is so wise and knowledgeable. All bullshit.

Unbeknownst to you, we ARE managing the relationship. Putin is a KGB thug and murderer. He is our adversary, and we cannot trust anything he says. That's the relationship.

This right-wing tactic of "Putin is our friend' comes on the eve of deeper revelations about the depth of the relationship between Trump and Russia .. so they're spreading this bullshit in hopes of infection the American people with it. You are a willing stooge for treason.

But you expect people to believe that suddenly you're some expert on geo-political politics?

You have become a mouthpiece for America's biggest adversary.
 
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Cypress said:
Did you ever post the word "Deep state", post a thread about it, and/or talk about it prior to about six or eight months ago?

Or did you just start using the word and the inflammatory rhetoric behind it because you like to follow orders from your superiors in the reich wing media and parrot what they instruct you to parrot?
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did we know about them before the election?.....
 
Cypress said:
It was the Democratic president JFK that was level headed and deliberative about that crisis.

Your heroes, many rightwing Republicans and conservatives of the day, wanted to invade Cuba, deliberately spark a military confrontation, which had a much higher likelihood of ending in a nuclear conflagration than the path the Democratic leader chose.
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didn't JFK sign off on the Bay Of Pigs?......
 
TTQ64 said:
The deep state is any Black person or woman still working in the whitehouse that President Obama appointed or that worked for Clinton.

The cowardly right wing nut jobs just wont admit it.
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so its your position that the opposition to Trump is racially motivated?......
 
Cypress said:
It was the Democratic president JFK that was level headed and deliberative about that crisis.

Your heroes, many rightwing Republicans and conservatives of the day, wanted to invade Cuba, deliberately spark a military confrontation, which had a much higher likelihood of ending in a nuclear conflagration than the path the Democratic leader chose.

Let me explain something about Russia to you: for centuries, empire and hegemony in their part of the world has been a Russian aspiration. It does not matter what you think Obama did, or what NATO did. Russians have believed in empire as their destiny since at least Peter the Great, and before. To them, the Ukainians are "little Russians". Little East Slavic brothers needing guidance and leadership.

The fact that Putin wants influence and control over the Ukrainians, the Belarusians, and others in Moscow's sphere of influence did not start because Obama was mean to Russia. Empire, hegemony, and Mastery over Eurasia has been, is, and will be for the foreseeable future, a widespread and enduring trait of the Russian national consciousness.

Blaming Obama and blaming NATO will not change that fundamental tenet.
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you explain nothing except Russian nationalism which is well known.
It' why Putin survives despite a lousy economy and sanctions.

You fail to understand that the Uk ( little Russia indeed) is still a Russian border state.
I'm sure you would want NATO membership for them too -right?
Knowing the fact that you never, ever see any downsides to NATO expansionism, that's a given.

If we had admitted the Uk. into NATO earlier and Russia had annexed Crimea..WTF would have had been our response??
According to Article 5 we'd be warring in Crimea, "little green men" or not.

Frankly I grow weary of your Russiaphobia it's nothing but crybaby-ish. It lacks understanding of geopolitics

Great Powers exist, and the Uk has the unfortunate geographical location of being on Putin's border.
Suppose Putin was meddling in Mexico's election? Do you think we would put up with that?
So way should Putin put up with OUR MEDDLING in the Uk's Euromaiden? why? because you want to be so?

You have no concept of 'sphere's of influence' . You want to treat Russia like some bad dog and whack it's nose to
become servile to the west. It's not going to happen under Putin, but the relationship can be manged
to both of our's advantages over what we have now

Not just Europe, but Russian expansion in the middle east besides Syria, and if you had been paying attention to my "Libyan Interest and News" thread --> https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?76565-Libya-News-and-Interests
you would also see Putin is playing both sides in the Libya Civil war to expand it's interests into N. Africa
along with it's new commercial and strategic ties w/Egypt.

That's what your great leader Obama has done -simply walked away from Russian containment in the ME
and actively bombed Libya into a failed state, while forcing Egypt into closer ties w/the Kremlin
over his insane sanctions on Egypt.
Neither do we simply have to stand back and do nothing like Obama did,or do we have to war under NATO artile 5.
The alternative is what it always has been -diplomacy!

PS your childish "Kennedy was a Democrat" is irrelevant to the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Kennedy was a Cold Warrior -but he was smart enough to avoid a war over ICBM's in Cuba.

You and today's Russiaphobes would be screaming to get Russia out of Cuba at any price
because you fail to recognize diplomacy is always the best option over regime change and meddling
 
Amadeus said:
Funny that your defense refers to Kissinger, a should-be war criminal.
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people are complex. He was a war criminal in Vietnam. I was protesting that damn war in the streets before you were born/
But that doesn't diminish the real value of realpolitik -what my sig quote refers to
 
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