Can employers require vaccinations as a condition of returning to work?

[Into the Night]

Da! You are well known to be a Russian. You support Russian Federalism and have never said a bad thing about Putin. I find that very illuminating.

Hallucination.

 

[Into the Night]

You mean they've retreated to the dark recesses of your mind? LOL

Psychoquackery.

 

[Into the Night]

Guess you missed the previous posts covering why you are wrong....or you ignored them, INT/IBDa/gfm

There were none. You are hallucinating again. IBD and gfm are not here.

 

[Into the Night]

That is the way the world works. If a hospice worker does not get a influenza vaccine, she is a danger to the hospice residents.

WRONG. It is illegal to require any medical treatment as a condition of employment.

I am beginning to wonder if the Alt Right posters have ever had a job.

I own my own business. We make instrumentation for aerospace, industrial, and MEDICAL applications.

 

[Into the Night]

So a hospital should be forced to allow employees to give diseases to patients?

No. If you are sick, stay home.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes, to some extend they should. An employer has, within reason, the right to make demands of you in order to keep your job. If you do not like it, you have the right to quit the job.

WRONG. All employers (me included) MUST conform to federal law and to local and State laws. It is against the law to require medical treatment of any kind as a condition of employment. That includes vaccinations. An employer can require medical exams (including drug exams), but they CANNOT require medical treatment.

 

[Into the Night]

Employers do not have to pay you to do "whatever you damn well want."

There is the next question of what should be against the law. Some health issues can be like drunken driving. Your decisions effect other people's health.

Getting drunk is not a health issue.

 

[Nordberg]

WRONG. All employers (me included) MUST conform to federal law and to local and State laws. It is against the law to require medical treatment of any kind as a condition of employment. That includes vaccinations. An employer can require medical exams (including drug exams), but they CANNOT require medical treatment.

You are always so certain and so wrong. https://www.healthline.com/health-n...nated#Legal-precedent-was-established-in-2009 Yes they can.

 

[Into the Night]

California has 1153 deaths per million. Florida has 1454 deaths per million.

Argument from randU fallacies. Random numbers are not data.

California has more links to China,

Argument from randU fallacy.

and more population density,

Compositional error failure.

so should have higher numbers.

Numbers are quoted per capita, so it makes no difference.

Florida has failed badly.

Florida is still there, still has a lot of people that want to live in it. Define 'failed badly'.

DeSantis prioritizing strip clubs over industry has hurt their economy badly.

He didn't.

DeSantis has lost more vaccines than most states got in all of January.

He didn't. Vaccines are distributed by Pfizer.

DeSantis has failed so badly, he needed to send the police to terrorize a scientist who was posting the real numbers.

Link? I suspect you are hyping stuff up.

 

[Into the Night]

Why exactly does Florida need more money per capita in bailout than either California or New York?

Why does ANY State need a bailout?
Neither California nor New York are States anymore. They do not recognize the Constitution of the United States nor their own State constitutions.

I call them the SOTNY and SOTC now. They have become oligarchies.

 

[Into the Night]

Agreed. DeSantis is a thug. Floridians would be wise to dump his ass with a recall.

Void argument fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

$20 says some fucking lawyers are involved one way or another.

Does being vaccinated insure a person isn't a carrier to their family at home or to relatives?

Yes.

 

[Into the Night]

It might already be in the contracts of the smart ones in the smart jobs. Something akin to a morals clause.

It would be an illegal contract.

In reality, I doubt anyone will be fired. They just won't be recalled. Unless it's unionized, when a company downsizes, it goes in reverse order of importance to the business. All non-essentials are laid off per needs of the company. There is no mandatory recall right for them. A company might decide to hire out for cleaning services instead of having a cleaning department.

Not legal.

A company, noting the health emergency, might only call back those who have taken the vaccination. Their call.

No it isn't. It isn't legal.

Demanding proof is another matter,

That isn't legal either.

but it's stupid to lie about such a thing since lying is a termination offense, no ifs, ands or buts.

Not legal.

What about business? What if a company would only use the cleaning services of those who were vaccinated?

They can be sued successfully by another cleaning service that has no such requirement.

 

[Into the Night]

You are always so certain and so wrong. https://www.healthline.com/health-n...nated#Legal-precedent-was-established-in-2009 Yes they can.

False authority fallacy. This link is not the federal law that is being violated by such policies.

 

[AProudLefty]

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[Walt]

cash benefits are cash benefits easy to abuse . it happens all the time and women with multiple kids pump out baby's to get moire benifits all the time . , you hear about people with multiple kids all the time.

For a quarter of a century, Welfare payments have been capped at 2 years at a time, and 5 years over a lifetime. Your stories are fantasies. First you claimed you saw it, and now you claim to have heard stories about it.

wqith a ebt card all you have to do is give them the card and the code its easy as pie to abuse oe go to the store and spend the thing again as easy as can be

While with Food Stamps, you could sell off small units of it, and no one would know, to sell a card would require a relatively large amount of money. Worse yet, it could easily be reversed. The seller could claim the card was stolen, keep the money, and get a new card. Beyond that, using the card is an obvious crime.

There is only one group that it consistently works for. Break away polygamous Mormons will control the store in the town they live in. If they turn in the cult for stealing their card, they will end up killed by the local police who are in the cult. They are very white, and very Republican, so Republicans block any attempt to breakup that racket.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

For a quarter of a century, Welfare payments have been capped at 2 years at a time, and 5 years over a lifetime. Your stories are fantasies. First you claimed you saw it, and now you claim to have heard stories about it.




While with Food Stamps, you could sell off small units of it, and no one would know, to sell a card would require a relatively large amount of money. Worse yet, it could easily be reversed. The seller could claim the card was stolen, keep the money, and get a new card. Beyond that, using the card is an obvious crime.

There is only one group that it consistently works for. Break away polygamous Mormons will control the store in the town they live in. If they turn in the cult for stealing their card, they will end up killed by the local police who are in the cult. They are very white, and very Republican, so Republicans block any attempt to breakup that racket.

Fantasy is a common word associated with Bob's posts. He's a septuagenarian with a failing body and a failing mind. Every post of his seems laced with fantasies and false perceptions. I doubt he's lying since that requires cognition. He seems to actually believe everything he posts.

What do you make of this observation?

 

[Walt]

Fantasy is a common word associated with Bob's posts. He's a septuagenarian with a failing body and a failing mind. Every post of his seems laced with fantasies and false perceptions. I doubt he's lying since that requires cognition. He seems to actually believe everything he posts.

What do you make of this observation?

He is definitely talking about issues in the 1970's as if they were current. They were 50 years ago. Even his claims from 50 years ago are wildly exaggerated, but at least had a kernel of truth.

You are probably right about him being very old, and having learned these "facts" back when he could learn. Another possibility is that the Alt Right echo chamber has kept these claims alive for the last 50 years.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

I literally hate right to work laws, strongly support abolishing them, and virtually never side against unions,
but refusing to retain anti-vaxxer employees seems like a safety imperative to me.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

He is definitely talking about issues in the 1970's as if they were current. They were 50 years ago. Even his claims from 50 years ago are wildly exaggerated, but at least had a kernel of truth.

You are probably right about him being very old, and having learned these "facts" back when he could learn. Another possibility is that the Alt Right echo chamber has kept these claims alive for the last 50 years.

An excellent example. Such confusion is an unfortunate aspect of dementia.

https://www.alz.org/help-support/caregiving/stages-behaviors/memory-loss-confusion
In the later stages, memory loss becomes far more severe. A person may not recognize family members, may forget relationships, call family members by other names, or become confused about the location of home or the passage of time. He or she may forget the purpose of common items, such as a pen or a fork. These changes are some of the most painful for caregivers and families.

Such types of behavior is sometimes incorrectly referred to as "senility" or "senile dementia," which reflects the formerly widespread but incorrect belief that serious mental decline is a normal part of aging.