Can Black Children Be Friends With White People?

cawacko said:
One reason I'm such a big fan of (team) sports for children. Having people from all backgrounds and walks of life working together for a common goal pays dividends in life far beyond just that game or season.
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ABSOLUTELY.

Where life-long friendships between races are often made
 
blackascoal said:
ABSOLUTELY.

Where life-long friendships between races are often made
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How many of those white friends kneeled along with the Black ones in the NFL?

If the friendships were so real, everyone of those players would have kneeled in support of the Black players.

Not many did.

I'm not saying, or advocating that Blacks can't be friends with whites, but when it comes to trust, real trust, you will see who your friends really are.
 
TTQ64 said:
How many of those white friends kneeled along with the Black ones in the NFL?

If the friendships were so real, everyone of those players would have kneeled in support of the Black players.

Not many did.

I'm not saying, or advocating that Blacks can't be friends with whites, but when it comes to trust, real trust, you will see who your friends really are.
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From my perspective, friends don't require their friends to see the world exactly as they do, nor require them to take the same risks that they do. Those are individual choices, even among the same race.

All black players did not take a knee. Would you reject the friendship of any black player who didn't take a knee?
 
blackascoal said:
ABSOLUTELY.

Where life-long friendships between races are often made
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I will say I disagree with something you said in the other thread. If we want real change it will have to involve all of the country. Excluding a quarter or half of the country won't do it. You'll notice the author didn't say he would tell his kids not to be friends with just white people who support Trump but ALL white people. (Again, people can be friends with whom ever they want but that aside...)

Like you said isolation generally doesn't work. If "opposing" groups or individuals can't come to the table together it's hard to affect real change.
 
blackascoal said:
From my perspective, friends don't require their friends to see the world exactly as they do, nor require them to take the same risks that they do. Those are individual choices, even among the same race.

All black players did not take a knee. Would you reject the friendship of any black player who didn't take a knee?
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I expect my "friends" to speak up when they see wrong, especially when they see harm being done to me and my community.
 
cawacko said:
I will say I disagree with something you said in the other thread. If we want real change it will have to involve all of the country. Excluding a quarter or half of the country won't do it. You'll notice the author didn't say he would tell his kids not to be friends with just white people who support Trump but ALL white people. (Again, people can be friends with whom ever they want but that aside...)

Like you said isolation generally doesn't work. If "opposing" groups or individuals can't come to the table together it's hard to affect real change.
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This isn't an all sides problem, it's a problem white people have of mistreating Blacks for so long, we don't trust them.

What is your solution to white people who created this problem?
 
TTQ64 said:
I taught my child not to trust anyone. Like you said trust is earned.

And I disagree that it perpetuates that, whites have been treating Blacks with mistrust since they brought us over here in slave ships.

You can't make excuses for how whites treat Blacks by saying its Black people fault because they teach their kids not to trust. Earning trust isn't based on conditions.

We teach our children the truth and if that truth makes them mistrust whites, then that would be up to whites to change their behavior and treat everyone as equals.

So until whites change, they will continue to clutch their purses when they pass a Blackman on the streets, and we will continue to teach our children the history of this country and all the dirty filth that comes with it.
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Until whites change? Or until SOME whites change?
 
Cypress said:
I will never forget something some black football buddies I had in high school said to a couple of us white dudes. We hung out a lot, went to movies together, hung out with chicks together. But this just came out of the blue one day. They asked us if - when they weren't around us - if we used racist language, like the n-word. There was a palpable sense that they thought it was possible we were not completely on the up and up with them. That we may have acted like their white buddies, but when they were out of ear shot if we were behaving in a way that didn't comport with supposedly being their buddies.

Now, my mama trained me to never use the n-word. But you know what? Those black dudes had every right to wonder about the depth of our bonds, our friendship. Because, guess what? Yep, I did hear some of my white football buddies using racist language and being prejudiced. Obviously, my white buddies lied, and assured my black buddies that everything was on the up and up. I remember it to this day, because not only was it a lie, but it was a betrayal and a disrespect to our black buddies on the football team. I also felt disrespect for myself for not having the strength to shame my white buddies, or at least trying have an honest dialog about it.

And you know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of all the rightwingers on jpp.com who, from the safety of an anonymous keyboard, find the courage to bellow racists crap....but undoubtedly around their co-workers and neighbors they keep the racists part of them under wraps, incognito.

Now, over the years I have dated a few black women, and really the friendship was exactly the same as with a white woman. So real and genuine friendship is easily within reach, as long as all human interactions are conducted with mutual respect, courtesy, and honesty. So, the article from the OP is a tad cynical for my taste. Just my two cents.
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Oh look, mr. Holier than thou is back at it. How about you tell us how you treat women again?
 
cawacko said:
I will say I disagree with something you said in the other thread. If we want real change it will have to involve all of the country. Excluding a quarter or half of the country won't do it. You'll notice the author didn't say he would tell his kids not to be friends with just white people who support Trump but ALL white people. (Again, people can be friends with whom ever they want but that aside...)

Like you said isolation generally doesn't work. If "opposing" groups or individuals can't come to the table together it's hard to affect real change.
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No, they don't. We don't need the opinions nor participation of evil racist people. Their inclusion alone ensures that nothing will get done.

This is America, where rights are determined by what you can demand. Gay rights came because gays were in the position to demand them .. and they came without the participation of people who hate gays.

Racists have no place at the table in the solutions to racism.
 
TTQ64 said:
I expect my "friends" to speak up when they see wrong, especially when they see harm being done to me and my community.
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Do you reject black players who do not kneel as you reject white players who do not kneel?

Do you expect friends to risk their careers for your cause .. or do you allow them to address issues they way they see best? That's what friends do.
 
blackascoal said:
No, they don't. We don't need the opinions nor participation of evil racist people. Their inclusion alone ensures that nothing will get done.

This is America, where rights are determined by what you can demand. Gay rights came because gays were in the position to demand them .. and they came without the participation of people who hate gays.

Racists have no place at the table in the solutions to racism.
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:room:

You win the internet today.
 
blackascoal said:
Do you reject black players who do not kneel as you reject white players who do not kneel?

Do you expect friends to risk their careers for your cause .. or do you allow them to address issues they way they see best? That's what friends do.
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I was making my point regarding sports and how it brings people together and life long friends, that's not always true. Again, my argument is more about trust than friendships. By the time we die, we may be lucky to have a few good friends that we can really trust.

The OP doesn't trust whites and he has every reason not to. I have an ex sister in law who is white as the driven snow. She hates Blacks, teaches my nephews racist shit on daily. She called me a nigga to my face in my own home, so forgive me if I don't automatically trust all white people. And that's what the author of the article is talking about.

Being friends is one thing, trusting is another.

And yes, I'd expect my friends to risk their jobs for a cause they believe in. The very fact that we have to risk our jobs for speaking out against white racism is the reason for the non trust in the first place. If it's my real true ride or die friend, and I believe in their cause, I'd risk my job for them as well.
 
blackascoal said:
No, they don't. We don't need the opinions nor participation of evil racist people. Their inclusion alone ensures that nothing will get done.

This is America, where rights are determined by what you can demand. Gay rights came because gays were in the position to demand them .. and they came without the participation of people who hate gays.

Racists have no place at the table in the solutions to racism.
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My first thought is do you believe no one can change? We spoke earlier about isolation. Exposure to and exposure with other people, groups etc. can go a long way towards changing people's feelings.

This is anecdotal but check out this dude and the change he created.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/5448...0-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes
 
cawacko said:
My first thought is do you believe no one can change? We spoke earlier about isolation. Exposure to and exposure with other people, groups etc. can go a long way towards changing people's feelings.

This is anecdotal but check out this dude and the change he created.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/5448...0-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes
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May God bless him. No idea how he made 'friends' with racists .. nor do I care?

They aren't worth the effort.

Keeping them out of the discussion is not the same as isolation.
 
blackascoal said:
May God bless him. No idea how he made 'friends' with racists .. nor do I care?

They aren't worth the effort.

Keeping them out of the discussion is not the same as isolation.
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Aren't discussions just millions of people in our country talking, interacting and communicating with each other? It's exactly what we talked about with the military and sports.
 
cawacko said:
Aren't discussions just millions of people in our country talking, interacting and communicating with each other? It's exactly what we talked about with the military and sports.
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This is not the same thing as sports or the military .. and I have absolutely ZERO interest in including racists in anything.

Fuck em'.
 
blackascoal said:
May God bless him. No idea how he made 'friends' with racists .. nor do I care?

They aren't worth the effort.

Keeping them out of the discussion is not the same as isolation.
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Maybe I'm naive or idealistic but what this guy did is exactly how change happens to me.

There are obviously some really bad people in this country but there are also people who have wrong views but aren't bad people. Those are the types of people that can be reached and hearts and minds changed.

The optimist in me will keep working for that

Edit: you as an individual can do whatever youb would like, I'm speaking from a broad perspective
 
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