California firefighters use 6,000 gallons of water to put out "spontaneous" Tesla car

Rune said:
Wrong.
In 1915 37% of automobiles and trucks were electric.
They used Edison batteries which were invented by Thomas Edison.

Edison batteries, also known as iron-nickel batteries and were made at the Edison factory until 1973, when the factory was moved to China as a result of the first neo-con
president opening China to trade, which was sold to the public as expanding our markets.

Edison batteries are unique due to the fact that the batteries never wear out, the electrolyte needs to be replenished (with water).

The Baker Electric in Jay Leno's collection is a perfect example.

It still drives, on the original batteries.

Edison batteries were also used in boats, submarines and for remote uses such as track switches etc.

They are still made to this day in China, Russia, and other countries and can be readily purchased over the internet.

The death of the early use of electrics was the direct result of corruption instigated by Standard Oil Company.
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That last is not the reason electrics lost in the market. It was the same reason(s) people don't want them today. They were more expensive than the ICE alternative. The ICE vehicle required minutes to fill up versus hours to recharge. Recharging stations were rare in most places while gasoline was portable. They were also DC powered and once Edison lost out to Westinghouse / Tesla (and then General Electric) who were using the more practical AC power systems, battery vehicles lost even more ground.

All of that occurred without government interference in the marketplace. Standard Oil had little or nothing to do with it.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Actually, there are 195 countries on the planet if you include all the tiny "postage stamp" ones. Of those, 40 have agreed to ban all ICE sales by somewhere between 2025 and 2040. That's 16% of all countries, and more like a quarter to a third of all countries that really count. Everyone of those is doing it by government mandate (fiat).

EV's are unpopular and the only way to get people to buy them is through government use of force.
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So why are the people in the other 3/4 countries with no mandates buying EVs?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
To your "governments having mandates question?" I gave that answer several times now, but you just don't like the answer.
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Don't play coy. It's quite childish. You know exactly what question:
AND I BET YOU ALSO BELIEVE TRUMP WON THE 2020 ELECTION

Everybody knows why you're evading the question. Because it proves how gullible and naive you are which is why you swallow all the EV bullshit, too.
No answer will speak volumes.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
Don't play coy. It's quite childish. You know exactly what question:
AND I BET YOU ALSO BELIEVE TRUMP WON THE 2020 ELECTION

Everybody knows why you're evading the question. Because it proves how gullible and naive you are which is why you swallow all the EV bullshit, too.
No answer will speak volumes.
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DEFLECTION
:facepalm:
 
ExpressLane said:
EVs still suffer from the same problem that early EVs did. Lack of range and lack of versatility.
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The thing is, most people only ever charge their EV at home, or private office, or whatever. They also have those upgraded fast chargers now.

EV's today are not for everybody yet. Most people that buy them today, only intend to use them to drive back and forth to work, up to the store, or Dr's office etc.

Because, people usually already have a vehicle they prefer to take on vacations and longer drives.

If, I ever purchase a new car again, I will probably select a Hybrid! But, I have enough vehicles to last me a lifetime now.

And I know we aren't running out of gasoline in my lifetime.

What we have here in this discussion, is just a bunch of people trying to score political points, and I don't really want to get into all the FARTING CONTESTS around here!

Man, I'm just trying to talk common sense and be reasonable about things.

I just feel that, if we all look at everything through a political scope, we really never see the larger picture. [Geeko Sportivo]
 
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T. A. Gardner said:
Well, let's pile it on...

Teslas are one of the most expensive cars to insure in America.

https://www.valuepenguin.com/tesla-... 1,and difficult to repair than a steel frame.

https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/insurance/tesla-insurance

The cost is anywhere between 30 and 60% higher depending on model and company insuring it. This means any savings made in not using gasoline v. charging is likely eaten up by paying more for insurance.

Then there's this

Tesla EVs, Even Mildly Damaged, Are Being Written Off by Insurance Companies
https://flipboard.com/@caranddriver...jdbH8IA:a:3199498-14f7d4c9a0/caranddriver.com

On top of much higher insurance rates, insurers are more likely to write your Tesla off as a total loss than fix it. That in part drives the insurance rates. Why are they writing off Tesla's for what could seem minor damage? Because the cost of parts and the difficulty of repair even with minor damage is such that it often exceeds or comes close to the total cost of the vehicle. Once you hit about 75% of the vehicle's value, an insurer simply writes the vehicle off because it's cheaper to do so.
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Hmm, when I insured my Tesla Model Y with USAA, the increase was about 20%. Even if you're right, which I seriously doubt, it sure hasn't stopped people from buying EVs.


Educate yourself, boy:
incentive | inˈsen(t)iv | noun
a thing that motivates or encourages one to do something: there is no incentive for customers to conserve water.
• a payment or concession to stimulate greater output or investment: tax incentives for investing in depressed areas | [as modifier] : incentive payments.

mandate | ˈmanˌdāt | noun
1 an official order or commission to do something: a mandate to seek the release of political prisoners.
• Law a commission by which a party is entrusted to perform a service, especially without payment and with indemnity against loss by that party.
• US Law an order from an appellate court to a lower court to take a specific action.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
Hmm, when I insured my Tesla Model Y with USAA, the increase was about 20%. Even if you're right, which I seriously doubt, it sure hasn't stopped people from buying EVs.


Educate yourself, boy:
incentive | inˈsen(t)iv | noun
a thing that motivates or encourages one to do something: there is no incentive for customers to conserve water.
• a payment or concession to stimulate greater output or investment: tax incentives for investing in depressed areas | [as modifier] : incentive payments.

mandate | ˈmanˌdāt | noun
1 an official order or commission to do something: a mandate to seek the release of political prisoners.
• Law a commission by which a party is entrusted to perform a service, especially without payment and with indemnity against loss by that party.
• US Law an order from an appellate court to a lower court to take a specific action.
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Why would it go up?
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
The thing is, most people only ever charge their EV at home, or private office, or whatever. They also have those upgraded fast chargers now.

EV's today are not for everybody yet. Most people that buy them today, only intend to use them to drive back and forth to work, up to the store, or Dr's office etc.

Because, people usually already have a vehicle they prefer to take on vacations and longer drives.

If, I ever purchase a new car again, I will probably select a Hybrid! But, I have enough vehicles to last me a lifetime now.

And I know we aren't running out of gasoline in my lifetime.

What we have here in this discussion, is just a bunch of people trying to score political points, and I don't really want to get into all the FARTING CONTESTS around here!

Man, I'm just trying to talk common sense and be reasonable about things.

I just feel that, if we all look at everything through a political scope, we really never see the larger picture. [Geeko Sportivo]
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The only thing negative about EVs is they'll probably put Jiffy Lube and AAMCO out of business within 10 years.
Oh well. The hand-held calculator put the slide-rule companies out of business. It's simple Economic Natural Selection taking place. Sorry MAGA.
 
Celticguy said:
ok thx. water has been a problem with EVs in the past and its not usually immediate.
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Corrosion can occur in several ways, getting flooded out is just one of them. Exposure to salt air is another (probably why container ships were lost at sea due to such fires).
Rough treatment can set up problems as well of this kind. These are NOT off road vehicles by any stretch of the imagination. Even inclement weather or rock damage can cause such issues.

You are correct. It's not usually immediate.

Fortunately, when these fires happen, they tend to happen while the car is parked. There have been some cases where the car was occupied and the only way out was to break the glass.
 
Lionfish said:
Lie.
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Nordberg is a pretender. He likes to use the so-called 'expertise' of a friend, class, or school to claim as his own.

EVs today use Li-ion batteries (not the Lithium metal batteries which are not rechargeable and are truly dangerous!). A Li-ion battery burns like a firework. By itself it's a class A fire.
However, because these are arranged in large packs and have no fusing between them, a single cell or group of cells on fire must be treated as a class C fire. Pouring water on it will simply enhance the fire.

These batteries are a new hazard for firefighters to fight and they really don't have much to deal with a class C fire in a car...so they pour water on it...lots of water, until the flames are out. It's going to take a LOT of water though, as these firefighters in Sacramento just found out!
Once most the batteries are on fire, it's just a large class A fire. So, this method of putting out an EV fire works, but it takes a lot of water to do it.

It's a bit ironic, since corrosion from flood exposure (water) is what starts the fire the first place!
 
Into the Night said:
As some out here in the country say, "It takes a college educated idiot to say something that stupid!".
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In the preWOKE days the problem was that people who knew only books had no understanding of how the physical world works.... in the PostWOKE days the problem is that they have been indoctrinated into believing that they can override the physical world with their fantasies and solidarity.

The WOKE are FantasyLand Creatures.

The wake up will be brutal.
 
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