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[cawacko]

If the Republicans thought they could defeat a filibuster they could have chosen not to proceed under reconciliation rules. Having chosen to proceed under reconciliation rules, the Republicans could have avoided the requirements of the Byrd Rule (sunset or offsets) with 60 votes against a point of order.

But if you aren't going to get enough votes to defeat a fillibuster why would you get enough votes against a point of order?

 

[zappasguitar]

Right, the Byrd Rule required the tax cuts to sunset, like I said.

Give it up Nigel.

No matter how many different sources you include to prove your point, Ice Dancer will stubbornly refuse to accept it.

Simply put, she is incapable of admitting when she's wrong, no matter how trivial the subject.

 

[Bonestorm]

But if you aren't going to get enough votes to defeat a fillibuster why would you get enough votes against a point of order?

Respectfully, I've answered your hypotheticals to the best of my ability but I'm not going to continue to do so.

 

[Good Luck]

Bottom line: it was the democratic party opposition to the tax cuts in the first place which resulted in the expiration dates. Spin it all you like that the republicans chose to use reconciliation. Had the democrats not fought the cuts tooth and nail with a no-compromise, "not only no, but HELL no" attitude, republicans would not have determined the need for using reconciliation. The BOTTOM line is democratic opposition is what led to republicans choosing the reconciliation rules, which in turn led to the upcoming sunset of the tax cuts. That is the way is is, period.

And now the democrats are doing the exact same thing: their way or no way with passing any bill making the cuts permanent. The dems are so focused on making the wealthy pay more they'd rather see all of us pay more than the wealthy pay at current rates.

 

[Bonestorm]

Bottom line: it was the democratic party opposition to the tax cuts in the first place which resulted in the expiration dates. Spin it all you like that the republicans chose to use reconciliation. Had the democrats not fought the cuts tooth and nail with a no-compromise, "not only no, but HELL no" attitude, republicans would not have determined the need for using reconciliation. The BOTTOM line is democratic opposition is what led to republicans choosing the reconciliation rules, which in turn led to the upcoming sunset of the tax cuts. That is the way is is, period.

And now the democrats are doing the exact same thing: their way or no way with passing any bill making the cuts permanent. The dems are so focused on making the wealthy pay more they'd rather see all of us pay more than the wealthy pay at current rates.

Bullshit. It was the Republican failure to offset its tax cuts with spending cuts that resulted in the sunset provisions. Had the Republicans offset the tax cuts with spending reductions the Democrats would have had nothing to complaint about and the Republican could indeed have made the tax cuts permanent. The Republicans chose to sunset the tax cuts instead of making the hard choices that their low tax policy necessitated.

Now that we are in a position where deficits have increases with Republican profligate spending while cutting taxes and a recession to boot painting the budget picture all that more bleak, something has to be done to increase government revenues. It's unfortunate, but that's what happens when you cut taxes and increase spending. Sooner or later it catches up to you.