CA Prop. 8 shot down

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USFREEDOM911 said:
Since the "norm" for the US is being Caucasion, you just classified the Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islanders as perverts; because they are only 2% of the population.
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No, brown skin functions just like white skin. Brown skin is not a "significant deviation" from white skin. On the other hand heterosexual couplings are responsible for the perpetuation of the human species. Homosexual couplings are responsible for orgasms, over 50% of the HIV cases in the US and 10 years less life expectancy. A VERY significant deviation.
 
Alias said:
No, it doesn't fit here too. It's another perversion. That's what you and your ilk do. Everything you touch becomes perverted.
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Me and my ilk pervert everything? That is a laugh. It is you and your kind who pervert the best things into institutions of hate and harm.

There is no reason not to allow gays to marry. It would have absolutely no effect on you. But you fight it out of hatred for anything that is not like you. You demand that the world conform to your standards, and when it doesn't you try to spout poison and insults.

Gay marriage is coming. Our society's ideas about what is perverted and wrong are slowly shifting away from gays and towards the purveyors of hate.
 
dixon76710 said:
well

Perversion is a concept describing those types of human behavior that are a serious deviation from what is considered to be orthodox or normal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perversion


Orthodox....generally used to mean the adherence to accepted norms, more specifically to creeds, especially in religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodoxy

In behavior, normal refers to a lack of significant deviation from the average.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_(behavior)

Well, certainly not orthodox and the average person has sex with someone of the opposite sex and haveing sex with someone of the same sex is a significant deviation from having sex with someone of the opposite sex.
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Which are exactly the same arguments that people tried to use to condemn interracial marriages.
 
Alias said:
Homosexuality is perversion. The definition of perversion is whatever is out of the norm. Humans are normally heterosexual. Homosexuality in humans has always been considered perverse and unacceptable because of our founding Christian/Judeo principles and culture. The last 40 years have been a constant drumbeat to accept homosexuality as normal or be considered a bigot. Not buying it.

You have the right to be homosexual in the USA. I have no problem with that. I have a problem with teaching children that it is normal. Get that crap out of our schools.
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You have the right to hate whomever you choose. But our government does not have the right to discriminate based on a single religion. The sooner you understand that the better off you will be.
 
WinterBorn said:
You have the right to hate whomever you choose. But our government does not have the right to discriminate based on a single religion. The sooner you understand that the better off you will be.
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Absolutely correct. I am tired of misguided hate ruining other people's lives.
 
Alias said:
I sound more American than you and Rana. America has been doing just fine and progressing very well without queers marrying and raising children. If you want to be queers, fine. You're free to do that. Mind your own business and we'll mind ours. We're gonna fight back and stand up to you when you try to demean our institutions. That is hatred, bigotry, and un-American on your part. Queers are not normal.
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Gee, that sounds familiar:
I sound more American than you and Rana. America has been doing just fine and progressing very well without different races marrying each other and raising children. If you want to be a race traitor, fine. You're free to do that. Mind your own business and we'll mind ours. We're gonna fight back and stand up to you when you try to demean our institutions. That is hatred, bigotry, and un-American on your part. Interracial marriages are not normal.
 
dixon76710 said:
Homosexual behavior occurs in nature. "Homosexuals" is purely a human invention
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You might do a little research on teh subject. Homosexuality has been observed in numerous species in the wild. Of course, that could be because humans taught them. You know how dangerous it is to have gay teachers.

So why not tell me what you think woulod happen if we allowed gay marriage? How would that effect any straight person?
 
Alias said:
Homosexuality is perversion. The definition of perversion is whatever is out of the norm. Humans are normally heterosexual. Homosexuality in humans has always been considered perverse and unacceptable because of our founding Christian/Judeo principles and culture. The last 40 years have been a constant drumbeat to accept homosexuality as normal or be considered a bigot. Not buying it.

You have the right to be homosexual in the USA. I have no problem with that. I have a problem with teaching children that it is normal. Get that crap out of our schools.
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Since you were only married for 1 1/2 years, back in the 80's, might explain why you are so against two people who love each other getting married.
You feel unloved and unwanted.
Stop being so closed off. Reach out and you might be able to find someone who will appreciate you.
 
dixon76710 said:
???? No, still valid because your argument would apply in the case of any two consenting adults, not just those who happen to be gay.
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But we are talking about two people who love each other, whereas you keep wanting to only talk about consent.
Two entirely different subjects.
 
WinterBorn said:
You have the right to hate whomever you choose. But our government does not have the right to discriminate based on a single religion. The sooner you understand that the better off you will be.
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And you have the right to hate Christian/Judeo American culture. God bless America.
 
Alias said:
And you have the right to hate Christian/Judeo American culture. God bless America.
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I do not hate Judeo/Christian culture. I am a proud christian.

I also celebrate the myriad of cultures that have created America.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Since the "norm" for the US is being Caucasion, you just classified the Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islanders as perverts; because they are only 2% of the population.

Do you also feel that the Native Americans are also perverts; because they are at 9% of the population?
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Being born Native Hawaiian can't be helped. You have not established homosexuality as a civil rights issue. First you would have to establish that they are born that way. There is no evidence for that. Humans are born male and female, not homosexual or heterosexual. A false premise that has been used by the progressives for quite a while now.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Which are exactly the same arguments that people tried to use to condemn interracial marriages.
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??? And they didnt work because interracial couples function just like same race couples. They are NOT a significant deviation but instead an irrelevant deviation. Children of interracial couples benefit equally from the governmental entitlements of marriage, as the children of same race children. Government has just as much interest in the wellbeing of interracial children as they do same race children.
 
WinterBorn said:
I do not hate Judeo/Christian culture. I am a proud christian.

I also celebrate the myriad of cultures that have created America.
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If you are a "proud Christian", then please be aware that "Christian" is capitalized and "pride" is a sin. Jesus said marriage was between a man and a woman. If you're a Christian, they listen to your master.
 
dixon76710 said:
Would be the same for the single mother and grandmother down the street who have been raising a family together for years. But you only want marriage extended to gays. Thats illegal discrimination. No justification for special treatment for the gays, denied to any other two consenting adults.
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I'm talking about allowing two people who love each other sexually and want to establish a loving household.
 
Alias said:
And you have the right to hate Christian/Judeo American culture. God bless America.
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This is a typical rightwinger tactic. If someone disagrees with you, they must hate you , hate your religion and hate America.

Tell us why gay marriage would be bad for America, Alias. No beating around the bush, answer the simple question.
 
dixon76710 said:
Homosexual behavior occurs in nature. "Homosexuals" is purely a human invention
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Ahahahahah, you are ignorant on this issue, please educate yourself. Homosexuality occurs in many species of animals, including dolphins and primates. Penguins, too!
 
Alias said:
If you are a "proud Christian", then please be aware that "Christian" is capitalized and "pride" is a sin. Jesus said marriage was between a man and a woman. If you're a Christian, they listen to your master.
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Jesus Los said the end of the world would happen in his disciples time and that dint happen, so Jesus can be wrong. Jesus also never condemned slavery.
 
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