CA isn’t helping my mask skepticism

Nordberg said:
If blunt means ignoring science and facts, then you have Trump figured out. His silly talk is baked into Trump. Rightys accept his meandering speeches and denial of science and seem to admire it.
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His "meandering speeches" always boil down to a few simple points: "I'll appoint the most conservative judges I can find. I'll keep taxes low, and I won't regulate your businesses to death". That's about it. I heard him say it the other day after comrade joe's speech about his plans for the forth Reich. So yeah, I "admire" that. "Denial of science"? What are you talking about? Climate change? I called bullshit on that 10 years ago after that other miserable jackass gore missed the target. Anything about COVID? I don't think anyone thought it would be anything other than a new flu strain. From 2008-2012, did you ever listen to obama say "it's gonna be a bad flu season, we have to close down the country and buy up all the toilet paper". Guess what. Trump was wrong. Fauci was wrong. I was wrong and I'll bet you were wrong too(you're just too stupid or stubborn to admit it). The last perfect being to walk on this planet was crucified over 20 centuries ago, resurrected 3 days later and sits at the right hand of God.
 
Stretch said:
Just starting to read some info/studies on Legionnaires’. Symptoms are similar to Covid-19 only it is bacterial.
Some thought they had Covid, were retested for other possibilities and Legionnaires’ was discovered because
being trapped in a mask. Shame they probably listed as "confirmed" Covid, though in the stats.
People wearing surgical type masks need to discard them after 2 hours of use. Any amount of moisture in there either
from breathing, clearing your throat, coughing, sneezing, touching with a moist hand can possibly leave bacteria behind
which of course would be inhaled.

At this point I'm thinking that all those people going boating/beaches should definitely ditch the masks when they're on/by the water!

Gonna keep reading and gathering links for later.
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LMFAO
 
Althea said:
NY state won't back off of trump. I don't know if Biden will go after him for the myriad financial crimes.
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Not just Trump. Barr, Pompeo, Rudy, and the Governors who intentionally put their citizens in harms way for shot at kissing the ring. Kemp and DeSantis are by far the most egregious.
 
Into the Night said:
I am speaking from the N95 specifications. I am describing an airborne respiratory virus that is basically everywhere and on every surface. I am speaking about areas that have mandated masks, social distancing, and plastic shields for over a month and are still seeing a 'rise' in infections. I am speaking about lockdowns that take place as soon as the economy starts to recover.

What do YOU think this is about? Absolutes?
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I agree on that except you seem to be saying a mask will never stop a viral infection in any conceivable instance lol.

My stance is that they are *generally* useless and there are studies showing that they are ‘useless enough’ to have no statistically significant difference in outcomes.

The proper way to state it is they haven’t been proven useful. The ‘seem’ like they should be useful and many people believe they are, but yeah.
 
gfm7175 said:
Definitely. That's why I'm not a fan of being forced to wear a mask at work (due to my tyrannical county government). I think they do more harm than good (they do not stop viruses).

I've also been finding (through my own experimentation) that wearing masks increases stress, heart rate, and decreases O2 saturation in the body. None of those are good things. A very healthy and active person such as myself should not be noticing a resting heart rate in the lower 90s while wearing a mask when I normally have a resting heart rate of 65-70bpm without a mask on. I've even tested immediately upon taking my mask off, and then again after a few minutes, and my bpm usually drops by 10bpm immediately, and then back to the normal 65-70bpm range after a few minutes.
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Yeah, I know what you're talking about. At my doctor visit 2 weeks ago, I sat in the waiting room for 30 minutes with mask on, went to nurses station for vitals, bp was 123/90.
I went into exam room for 20 minute visit, doc said I could take off mask in there, I asked him at the end to please take my bp again. He did. It was back to normal 105/80.
For some folks it DOES make a difference.
 
Concart said:
Not just Trump. Barr, Pompeo, Rudy, and the Governors who intentionally put their citizens in harms way for shot at kissing the ring. Kemp and DeSantis are by far the most egregious.
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It's hard to prosecute governors for their policies. Of course, Kemp shouldn't be the governor, and he should be investigated for voter suppression. But his super spreader approach to Covid is his choice, to the detriment of his constituents.
 
floridafan said:
So government policies are directly linked to Covid peaks.
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Yes. (to the all cause mortality peaks that occurred in select areas within the USA)

floridafan said:
Has anyone explained to you just who has been running this government for almost 4 years??
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Trump runs the executive branch of the federal government; he does not run NY (governor) nor NYC (mayor). Your beef re: what I said should be with Gov Cuomo and Mayor DeBlasio, not with Trump.

There is more than one government in the USA, you know...
 
floridafan said:
Its all about trends. Which states are recovering and which are getting worse. Blues states that took more drastic actions are recovering, many red states are getting much worse.
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since California is doing worse than Florida do you consider it a red state or a blue state?.....
 
gfm7175 said:
Yes. (to the all cause mortality peaks that occurred in select areas within the USA)


Trump runs the executive branch of the federal government; he does not run NY (governor) nor NYC (mayor). Your beef re: what I said should be with Gov Cuomo and Mayor DeBlasio, not with Trump.

There is more than one government in the USA, you know...
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Therein is your problem. Instead of having on combined national response to this virus. A response in which every state enacted the same laws. trump decided to wash his hands of the whole thing and let each governor do what they wanted.

Now we have a massive clusterfuck.
 
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