Bush admin lawyers wanted your internet search records, and probably got them

[Guns Guns Guns]

LOL at the fearmongering retard spazzing "Obama wants your health records".

That didn't bother the board dumbasses, apparently, but don't let the facts get in the way of rightwing hate and fear.


http://www.informationweek.com/news/177102061


Firstly, Obama isn't personally demanding your health records. It's a proposal. Here it is:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-07-15/pdf/2011-17609.pdf


Hardly the end of the world as we know it.


Secondly, health records are routinely requested whenever individuals apply for health care coverage or treatment


This is true today, it was true yesterday, and will be true tomorrow.


The really funny thing is that the pink panty pisser thinks this is a HIPAA violation - and he doesn't even identify the law correctly.

no they can't. there are HIPPA laws in the US they make medical records extremely private...

Extra chuckles since HIPAA was sponsored by the late Ted Kennedy and signed into law by Bill Clinton.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Insurance_Portability_and_Accountability_Act

 

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copycat troll strikes again

 

[Damocles]

Yah, that makes it all better when another administration asks for something just as totalitarian. You should dismiss the IRS being into your health business because Bush asked about some other totalitarian thing. You should ignore that warrantless wiretapping increased since Obama took power because Bush asked for something else!

WTF? Bush isn't there, and the dude that is doesn't appear to do anything different except to strengthen those policies.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Yah, that makes it all better when another administration asks for something just as totalitarian. You should dismiss the IRS being into your health business because Bush asked about some other totalitarian thing. You should ignore that warrantless wiretapping increased since Obama took power because Bush asked for something else! WTF? Bush isn't there, and the dude that is doesn't appear to do anything different except to strengthen those policies.

If the Examiner story were true, you might have a point.

Unfortunately for fearmongers across America, the Examiner is engaging in hyperbole.

There's no "demand". It's a proposal. Read it.

Now, as to Bush. I'm not saying abuse of power is one thing under Bush and another under Obama.

I'm saying that in this instance there is no abuse of power, yet there was under Bush, and I'm curious...

Did the board righties piss their pink panties in pusillanimous, paralytic panic when the Bush administration demanded and got peoples' internet search records?

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[Damocles]

I know I, and others here, have. I spent six years telling people we were giving the WH too much power, specifically underlining how much power you wanted the "other guy" to get. Then, I've spend 3 more telling people that this guy wasn't any better... But the leftists who were having seizures over Bush are totally blase about it under Obama, and the righties misfire on stupid junk like "intercontinental railroads" and seem to miss the important stuff...

 

[Rune]

Yah, that makes it all better when another administration asks for something just as totalitarian. You should dismiss the IRS being into your health business because Bush asked about some other totalitarian thing. You should ignore that warrantless wiretapping increased since Obama took power because Bush asked for something else!

WTF? Bush isn't there, and the dude that is doesn't appear to do anything different except to strengthen those policies.

Really?
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?35066-Obama-returns-education-power-to-states

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

I know I, and others here, have. I spent six years telling people we were giving the WH too much power, specifically underlining how much power you wanted the "other guy" to get. Then, I've spend 3 more telling people that this guy wasn't any better... But the leftists who were having seizures over Bush are totally blase about it under Obama, and the righties misfire on stupid junk like "intercontinental railroads" and seem to miss the important stuff...

Well, that's one reason I respect you.

However, again - the proposal by HHS is just that - a proposal, and I can't seem to understand wherein the danger lies.

Will you read it through and tell me if I'm missing something?

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-07-15/pdf/2011-17609.pdf

BTW, thanks for fixing that stuff for me earlier. Is there a way for the author to edit polls after they're posted? I hated to bother you.

 

[Damocles]

Well, that's one reason I respect you.

However, again - the proposal by HHS is just that - a proposal, and I can't seem to understand wherein the danger lies.

Will you read it through and tell me if I'm missing something?

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-07-15/pdf/2011-17609.pdf

BTW, thanks for fixing that stuff for me earlier. Is there a way for the author to edit polls after they're posted? I hated to bother you.

I'm not sure, I thought I had it set so people could edit their own polls... If you can there is a little pencil looking thing next to the title that you would click so you could edit. If not, I'll check my settings again to see if I missed something or can allow it. (Sometimes the software limits me unnecessarily).

 

[Damocles]

Oh, and if you can't find a problem with the government keeping a record of all your health care, then I can't help you. Seriously, that kind of thing is beyond anything the government should ever be keeping records on you about. It should be held far, far away from them. That kind of trust in government actually makes me slightly queasy...

The IRS should not be policing a government requirement to purchase anything regarding your health care, they have no business in it, and any centralized records should be kept outside the reach of any government bureaucrat unless there is a serious just cause to request them though a search warrant.

 

[Damocles]

Really?
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?35066-Obama-returns-education-power-to-states

It is foolish to pretend that states are being "granted" some power that never should be within the scope of the feds. Obama isn't "giving it back" he's just changing the strings that are attached to the money they use to end-run the fact that they were never granted power in education at the federal level. He doesn't like "this" requirement, so he tries to regulate it to a different set of requirements, without legislation, taking and using power in areas that the federal government has no business mucking about in...

There really is a 10th Amendment. That Obama decides that he wants to change the requirements attached to a usage of power he has no business in doesn't change that it is no better. You should read the books on the "race to the top" nonsense added with the NCLB nonsense. It didn't make things better.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Oh, and if you can't find a problem with the government keeping a record of all your health care, then I can't help you. Seriously, that kind of thing is beyond anything the government should ever be keeping records on you about. It should be held far, far away from them. That kind of trust in government actually makes me slightly queasy...
The IRS should not be policing a government requirement to purchase anything regarding your health care, they have no business in it, and any centralized records should be kept outside the reach of any government bureaucrat unless there is a serious just cause to request them though a search warrant.

I cannot find any mention of the IRS at http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-07-15/pdf/2011-17609.pdf.

What page is it on?

 

[Damocles]

I cannot find any mention of the IRS at http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-07-15/pdf/2011-17609.pdf.

What page is it on?

It's in Obamacare. They are the ones who ensure you either have the specific health insurance required by his new "program" or are being charged the "fee" for not having it. Stop being so disingenuous. Just read the fricking bill. It isn't even written in too much lawyerspeak for you to understand. The IRS should not be policing anything about any of your health care decisions, ever. Including the decision of what kind of insurance you may want to purchase. This isn't that hard to understand. I don't even want them having one step into that kind of control over my life, they have enough with finances, adding my health care decisions to that is sickening.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

It's in Obamacare. They are the ones who ensure you either have the specific health insurance required by his new "program" or are being charged the "fee" for not having it. Stop being so disingenuous. Just read the fricking bill. It isn't even written in too much lawyerspeak for you to understand. The IRS should not be policing anything about any of your health care decisions, ever. Including the decision of what kind of insurance you may want to purchase. This isn't that hard to understand. I don't even want them having one step into that kind of control over my life, they have enough with finances, adding my health care decisions to that is sickening.

Can you provide a link?


The Examiner cited this document http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-07-15/pdf/2011-17609.pdf

 

[Damocles]

Can you provide a link?


The Examiner cited this document http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-07-15/pdf/2011-17609.pdf

You are confused. This HHS proposal is a further step, not the one that gives the IRS that power, that is in Obamacare. The IRS, according to Obamacare, already has that first step. You can find your own link to Obamacare, there have been hundreds provided on this site already.

Now the HHS creates a different government bureaucracy with your health records.

Either you are disingenuous or have difficulty understanding people when they speak of related items to the conversation at hand.

Obamacare gets the IRS into whether and what kind of insurance you have, the HHS proposal begins a government bureaucracy with further government control over health records. The government should have no business in my health records, they should write legislation that would centralize them elsewhere and that specifically lists that they must be kept sacrosanct and away from government short of a search warrant issued by the courts.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

You are confused. This HHS proposal is a further step, not the one that gives the IRS that power, that is in Obamacare. The IRS, according to Obamacare, already has that first step. You can find your own link to Obamacare, there have been hundreds provided on this site already. Now the HHS creates a different government bureaucracy with your health records. Either you are disingenuous or have difficulty understanding people when they speak of related items to the conversation at hand. Obamacare gets the IRS into whether and what kind of insurance you have, the HHS proposal begins a government bureaucracy with further government control over health records. The government should have no business in my health records, they should write legislation that would centralize them elsewhere and that specifically lists that they must be kept sacrosanct and away from government short of a search warrant issued by the courts.

I don't see that in the HHS proposal. Do you know where these provisions occur in the Patient Protection and Affordable Health Care Act?

 

[Damocles]

What a waste of space, truly you are deliberately obtuse. Dood, you don't see the HHS centralizing your records under a government bureaucracy in the HHS proposal?

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

What a waste of space, truly you are deliberately obtuse. Dood, you don't see the HHS centralizing your records under a government bureaucracy in the HHS proposal?

I would see it if you could produce the evidence. Can you?

 

[Damocles]

I would see it if you could produce the evidence. Can you?

It is the proposal. At this point there is no further reason to even speak with you on the subject, you deliberately ignore what is proposed to spout inanities. Seriously, a proposal for a Federal Register of all health care records isn't a proposal to centralize your records? You've got to be incapable of actual understanding what people say to continue your argument, and if you are you are wasting all of our time. I would then support a "do not feed the troll policy" because I cannot support deliberately stupid people.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

It is the proposal. At this point there is no further reason to even speak with you on the subject, you deliberately ignore what is proposed to spout inanities. Seriously, a proposal for a Federal Register of all health care records isn't a proposal to centralize your records? You've got to be incapable of actual understanding what people say to continue your argument, and if you are you are wasting all of our time. I would then support a "do not feed the troll policy" because I cannot support deliberately stupid people.

Where is it in the proposal? Which is, BTW, a proposal.

Can you tell me?