Obama Wants Your Health Records

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Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius has proposed that medical records of all Americans be turned over to the federal government by private health insurers.

It’s been said a thousand times: Congress had to pass President Obama’s health care law in order to find out what’s in it. But, despite the repetitiveness, the level of shock from each new discovery never seems to recede.

This time, America is learning about the federal government’s plan to collect and aggregate confidential patient records for every one of us.

In a proposed rule from Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), the federal government is demanding insurance companies submit detailed health care information about their patients.

(See Proposed Rule: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act; Standards Related to Reinsurance, Risk Corridors and Risk Adjustment, Volume 76, page 41930. Proposed rule docket ID is HHS-OS-2011-0022 http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-07-15/pdf/2011-17609.pdf)

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/opini...ment-everybody-s-health-records#ixzz1YtyaqHth

should we support this?

 

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so everyone supports this?

 

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It's not like they're already not stored with a third party, and it's not like the federal government couldn't access them if it had a subpoena or chose to disregard the law anyway. I'm not sure, but I think the purpose of this is probably simply to have a centralized database to avoid some of the headaches the current system causes. It might've been better to simply operate it as some sort of cooperative program between health insurance companies than to make it government run, if for nothing else than to head off conspiracies.

Also, was this included in the healthcare law? Where does her authority come from? I had heard of people proposing such reforms before, but I wasn't aware that any had passed.

 

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It is kind of amusing to suppose the US government doesn't have access to your medical records at present.

Also, how secure do you suppose your medical records are in the hands of private insurance companies looking to make a quick buck?

 

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Did Yurt bump another one of his own threads?

 

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It is kind of amusing to suppose the US government doesn't have access to your medical records at present.

Also, how secure do you suppose your medical records are in the hands of private insurance companies looking to make a quick buck?

Surely the Patriot Act already allows the Federal authorities to access anyone's medical records.

 

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Surely the Patriot Act already allows the Federal authorities to access anyone's medical records.

Even leaving aside actual legislation, to presume that the US security services (or anybody else's) have ever abided by the law of the land is a little amusing.

 

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It is kind of amusing to suppose the US government doesn't have access to your medical records at present.

Also, how secure do you suppose your medical records are in the hands of private insurance companies looking to make a quick buck?

insurance companies are a different matter as you agree to allow them access. quite different than the government getting access.

do you support the government getting access to YOUR medical records?

 

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Surely the Patriot Act already allows the Federal authorities to access anyone's medical records.

i really hope not.

 

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Even leaving aside actual legislation, to presume that the US security services (or anybody else's) have ever abided by the law of the land is a little amusing.

fair enough, but this legislation makes it legal, iow, they don't have to sneak around (if they are), they have access to EVERYTHING medical.

disturbing is too light of a word.

 

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I'm calling bullshit. Quote the operative language in the regulation.

 

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insurance companies are a different matter as you agree to allow them access. quite different than the government getting access.

do you support the government getting access to YOUR medical records?

The government does have access to my medical records and your government has access to yours.

 

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The government does have access to my medical records and your government has access to yours.

mine does not legally. i don't know about yours. i'm surprised you don't care.

 

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mine does not legally. i don't know about yours. i'm surprised you don't care.

So we both live in a state where the government can examine our medical records on a whim.

You have the pretence of illegality. The result is the same.

 

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So we both live in a state where the government can examine our medical records on a whim.

You have the pretence of illegality. The result is the same.

no. there is a HUGE difference. if the government tries to view my health records now, they will have to do so illegally. i wouldn't call that a whim. the result is not the same, as to conduct an illegal operation the government must go through different hoops to get the information. if the information is legally obtained, it is a much difference process.

 

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no. there is a HUGE difference. if the government tries to view my health records now, they will have to do so illegally. i wouldn't call that a whim. the result is not the same, as to conduct an illegal operation the government must go through different hoops to get the information. if the information is legally obtained, it is a much difference process.

Yeah, ok.

If you're with a private insurer and someone wants access to your medical records they can buy it off the shelf. (if it's a government they can hack it or they can go through legal channels)

Although i have to admire your faith in the system.

 

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Yeah, ok.

If you're with a private insurer and someone wants access to your medical records they can buy it off the shelf. (if it's a government they can hack it or they can go through legal channels)

Although i have to admire your faith in the system.

no they can't. there are HIPPA laws in the US they make medical records extremely private. if i want medical records, i have to have my client fill out a specific form that spells out the law on why i can get access.

i never said i had faith in the system. you're interpreting your own bias onto my posts. you're the one with the faith and the one who doesn't really care. i care. it is a privacy issue and the government should not have a legal right to my medical records. unless, the government is my insurer.

 

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no they can't. there are HIPPA laws in the US they make medical records extremely private. if i want medical records, i have to have my client fill out a specific form that spells out the law on why i can get access.

i never said i had faith in the system. you're interpreting your own bias onto my posts. you're the one with the faith and the one who doesn't really care. i care. it is a privacy issue and the government should not have a legal right to my medical records. unless, the government is my insurer.

I'm just saying they have access.

Pissing about over the legalities is neither here nor there as governments take no notice of the laws they create. Surely, you know this?

But by all means believe that the law prevents governments, and government agencies, from buying, or looking at, your medical records.

 

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no they can't. there are HIPPA laws in the US they make medical records extremely private. if i want medical records, i have to have my client fill out a specific form that spells out the law on why i can get access.

i never said i had faith in the system. you're interpreting your own bias onto my posts. you're the one with the faith and the one who doesn't really care. i care. it is a privacy issue and the government should not have a legal right to my medical records. unless, the government is my insurer.

Regarding the bold, you do realize that the regulations at issue are about people who seek insurance from the states don't you?

 

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I'm just saying they have access.

Pissing about over the legalities is neither here nor there as governments take no notice of the laws they create. Surely, you know this?

But by all means believe that the law prevents governments, and government agencies, from buying, or looking at, your medical records.

if by "access" you mean, the government can do whatever they want, no matter what the law says, then ok.....that probably true.

it does matter, for the reasons i made clear above.

your last sentence is bizarre. it is kind of an insult, but not really, and it shows your ignorance about what we have talked about. i don't believe the law will "prevent" anything the government wants to do, as i said, the law will make it harder.