Blue Wall Continues To Crumble Around Chauvin

[Hawkeye10]

Incorrect. I engage psychos, nutjobs and the mentally retarded. They often resent it like you're doing now. Does that make sense now?

I am watching Peterson, Murray and Bret all beginning to get their heads around how fucked Western Civilization is. There are nowhere near enough like me, people who both understand what is happening and object. Recent years have made it crystal clear that I was right all along, which is a Mind Fuck because being right is proof of a quality education, but then too I know what is coming....how much suckage is coming.

 

[Althea]

I dunno.

I wonder if they'd even waste their time.

Any lawyer who took the case would have to go into it either knowing they would never get paid by Chauvin or insist the Floyd family pay up front.

I agree, but with 27 million, they can afford to make Chauvin's life miserable!

 

[Althea]

Well, they should address it. It's the only thing that the defense has so they're sure to drag it out as a cause of death even though the ME reports said it was homicide. The prosecution has hit every other point, they should do this one as well. I think that the cop is gonna get stuck on murder 2.

I'm thinking that after this phase of dramatic witnesses, we're going to have days of boring medical professionals addressing your suggestion. Right now, they're meticulously debunking the defense claim about police training/protocols.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I am watching Peterson, Murray and Bret all beginning to get their heads around how fucked Western Civilization is. There are nowhere near enough like me, people who both understand what is happening and object. Recent years have made it crystal clear that I was right all along, which is a Mind Fuck because being right is proof of a quality education, but then too I know what is coming....how much suckage is coming.

I'm very happy for you that you have it all figured out. Too bad you never found happiness.

 

[Underdog]

What will be interesting is how the ME responds when he takes the stand and the defense starts asking him about lack of damage or injury to the wind pipe and how, if Floyd was not able to breathe, he was able to continue talking.

Choking someone does not have to break anything, just shut it for 9 minutes. When he got off him, it was no longer plugged. He asked him to quit choking him until he could no longer talk.

There are two kinds of chokes wind chokes and blood chokes. Floyd was blood choked. you can still talk while being blood choked.

 

[Althea]

Yes, but she also appeared to not know that you are hoping for someone to murder Chauvin, if he is set free.

Stating the obvious, which is that Chauvin deserves to be punished in some way (legally or physically), has nothing to do with hope. Whatever happens to Chauvin is inconsequential to me.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I'm thinking that after this phase of dramatic witnesses, we're going to have days of boring medical professionals addressing your suggestion. Right now, they're meticulously debunking the defense claim about police training/protocols.

That makes sense; prove Chauvin both broke every rule in the book and has been disavowed by his peers and superiors then prove Chauvin's actions killed George Floyd through medical experts.

 

[Althea]

That makes sense; prove Chauvin both broke every rule in the book and has been disavowed by his peers and superiors then prove Chauvin's actions killed George Floyd through medical experts.

It's like watching paint dry. When the defense offers nothing but nonsense, it takes time to thoroughly debunk same using actual text of law/training manuals.

Defense then twists itself into knots trying to obscure the evidence.

 

[Jarod]

Win, lose or draw, the prosecution is doing a very good job.

 

[Turgid Member]

Hello Althea,



Wow. The jury won't know Chauvin got fired for killing Floyd?

Can't say that's not a fair trial if he is convicted.

They actually can, They are setting up grounds for appeal for the defense i believe.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It's like watching paint dry. When the defense offers nothing but nonsense, it takes time to thoroughly debunk same using actual text of law/training manuals.

Defense then twists itself into knots trying to obscure the evidence.

The Wheels of Justice grind slowly. A man is dead and another man is on trial. It's best to take it slowly and completely factually.

Agreed on the Defense. They have latitude to twist the truth, make it the victim's fault and do their best to protect their client from their Due Justice.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Win, lose or draw, the prosecution is doing a very good job.

True, but since the entire murder is on video, the Prosecution's case is a lot easier.

The Defense will take the role of Chico Marx when speaking to the jury: "Who ya gonna believe? Me or your own eyes?"

 

[Nomad]

I agree, but with 27 million, they can afford to make Chauvin's life miserable!

Yes, but that goes back to my original point which was that they'd end up making themselves look like assholes.

And why the vindictiveness out of so many not even directly affected by any of this?

Floyd was no hero. He was no Emmet Till.

He was a drug abusing, ex-con street thug felon, who once forced his way into a young woman's home, held her at gunpoint, robbed her and stood by while one of his accomplices beat her up.

But because he was black, his death is being treated like a national tragedy.

What's next... are they going to declare the date of his death a national holiday?

Chauvin is being made out to look like Charles Manson, when in reality, he for the most part, was just guilty of using poor judgement and exhibiting a lack of care and compassion.

The idea that he is this vicious, cold-hearted murderer of some saintly civil rights icon is just a concocted load of bullshit that too many people have swallowed hook, line and sinker.

I think he deserves to be convicted of the 2nd degree manslaughter charge, get sentenced to about 3½ years minus time served, then a year or two on supervised parole.

Then he should be left alone to try to rebuild something out of what's left of his life.

If the Floyd family wants to help drive an even bigger wedge between whites and blacks, then let them go ahead and try to make Chauvin's life miserable by pursuing some pointless lawsuit that he'd never even be forced to pay back because the courts cannot force him to pay what he does not have.

Meanwhile, moderate and conservative whites will be shaking their heads and muttering - "Typical......"

 

[Althea]

They actually can, They are setting up grounds for appeal for the defense i believe.

On what grounds?

 

[Althea]

Yes, but that goes back to my original point which was that they'd end up making themselves look like assholes.

And why the vindictiveness out of so many not even directly affected by any of this?

Floyd was no hero. He was no Emmet Till.

He was a drug abusing, ex-con street thug felon, who once forced his way into a young woman's home, held her at gunpoint, robbed her and stood by while one of his accomplices beat her up.

But because he was black, his death is being treated like a national tragedy.

What's next... are they going to declare the date of his death a national holiday?

Chauvin is being made out to look like Charles Manson, when in reality, he for the most part, was just guilty of using poor judgement and exhibiting a lack of care and compassion.

The idea that he is this vicious, cold-hearted murderer of some saintly civil rights icon is just a concocted load of bullshit that too many people have swallowed hook, line and sinker.

I think he deserves to be convicted of the 2nd degree manslaughter charge, get sentenced to about 3½ years minus time served, then a year or two on supervised parole.

Then he should be left alone to try to rebuild something out of what's left of his life.

If the Floyd family wants to help drive an even bigger wedge between whites and blacks, then let them go ahead and try to make Chauvin's life miserable by pursuing some pointless lawsuit that he'd never even be forced to pay back because the courts cannot force him to pay what he does not have.

Meanwhile, moderate and conservative whites will be shaking their heads and muttering - "Typical......"

If he gets convicted, as I've stated twice, then a civil trial is superfluous.

The video of Chauvin with his hand in his pocket, ignoring numerous calls to check for a pulse while committing cold blooded murder, does not qualify him as some decorated cop who exhibited poor judgement.

 

[Nomad]

If he gets convicted, as I've stated twice, then a civil trial is superfluous.

And what if he gets convicted of the least serious of the three charges and is out in less than five years?

Should they sue him then?

Should they try to further destroy his life out of spite?

The video of Chauvin with his hand in his pocket, ignoring numerous calls to check for a pulse while committing cold blooded murder, does not qualify him as some decorated cop who exhibited poor judgement.

Opinion vs opinion.

As I've pointed out before, no video can show exactly how much pressure Chauvin's knee was exerting. It is possible that because Floyd wasn't moving, Chauvin might not have been bearing down hard enough to cut off blood flow,

Or, the exact contact point of his knee might not have been directly on the carotid artery.

The ME report says nothing about what exactly caused his death.

Calling Chauvin a cold blooded murderer is just more of the same kind of angry, emotional, social justice driven hyperbole that I was talking about.

 

[Althea]

And what if he gets convicted of the least serious of the three charges and is out in less than five years?

Should they sue him then?

Should they try to further destroy his life out of spite?

Asked and answered.

Opinion vs opinion.

As I've pointed out before, no video can show exactly how much pressure Chauvin's knee was exerting. It is possible that because Floyd wasn't moving, Chauvin might not have been bearing down hard enough to cut off blood flow,

Or, the exact contact point of his knee might not have been directly on the carotid artery.

The ME report says nothing about what exactly caused his death.

Calling Chauvin a cold blooded murderer is just more of the same kind of angry, emotional, social justice driven hyperbole that I was talking about.

Yes. Opinion indeed. The casual nature (hands in pockets) exhibited by Chauvin makes him a cold blooded murderer. He wasn't leaning against the car with one hand as a precautionary measure. He murdered Floyd as he lay there begging for his life. There is no room for opinion here, but you are certainly free to debate that as you have no other avenue.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dude, all the cops are pro-cops and they're saying Derek violated every procedure they had. He's not a rookie who made a mistake, he's a 19 year veteran.

The juror would not only have to be a Cop Bunny, but hate African-Americans and consider what Chauvin did a righteous act....like some JPP members are posting.

It's not going to be allowed in the trial, but Chauvin had been investigated internally within the force something like 20 times.

Seems like he had a bad habit if blowing off department procedure.

 

[PoliTalker]

I can't believe there was already a relationship between Chauvin and Floyd, but the court won't allow that to be considered.

If there was previous disagreement between them, that could be a motive right there.

 

[BidenPresident]

I can't believe there was already a relationship between Chauvin and Floyd, but the court won't allow that to be considered.

If there was previous disagreement between them, that could be a motive right there.

They had very little contact.