Biden to eliminate oil and gas by 2035

[Arks&sparka]

Obviously not sufficiently well versed in energy to defend your positions, only enough to state them. Is that because the people who are telling you what your positions are don't provide you enough information to understand the positions you are to hold?

I'm sorry, I didn't see any argument, just Denial of what I said and some unsupported claims of some fallacies I'm not sure exist.

I don't argue against such silliness. There isn't much point.

 

[IBDaMann]

I'm sorry, I didn't see any argument, just Denial of what I said and some unsupported claims of some fallacies I'm not sure exist.

I don't argue against such silliness. There isn't much point.

Exactly. You have no point. You are either new at this or still don't quite grasp how this works. I'll help you out.

1. You state your position(s) and support them.
2. Someone else puts a hole in your argument.
3. You then blow a hole in argument that blew a hole in your argument. You don't just respond "I stand by my argument that now has a big hole in it."

... unless you are admitting that your point is false and is to be dismissed.

 

[Arks&sparka]

Exactly. You have no point. You are either new at this or still don't quite grasp how this works. I'll help you out.

1. You state your position(s) and support them.
2. Someone else puts a hole in your argument.
3. You then blow a hole in argument that blew a hole in your argument. You don't just respond "I stand by my argument that now has a big hole in it."

... unless you are admitting that your point is false and is to be dismissed.

I am very seasoned and I know what is a waste of time.

You can pretend I'm admitting whatever you want.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I'm well versed in energy and I stand by my positions.

That isn't a rebuttal. It's an irrelevant appeal to authority. Your positions are dead, flat wrong, and I gave extensive evidence of it. If you can't refute what I've posted, then the argument is over and you lost. It's that simple. And, it doesn't matter how "well versed" you claim to be. When you cannot make a reasoned, factual rebuttal, you lose.

 

[Arks&sparka]

That isn't a rebuttal. It's an irrelevant appeal to authority.

Telling someone their argument was ineffective? But sure how that's an appeal to authority.

Your positions are dead, flat wrong, and I gave extensive evidence of it.

What positions?

If you can't refute what I've posted, then the argument is over and you lost. It's that simple.

what did I lose?

And, it doesn't matter how "well versed" you claim to be.

sure caused a knot in your panties.

When you cannot make a reasoned, factual rebuttal, you lose.

Lose what?

 

[IBDaMann]

I wonder how I draw a paycheck in a science field in the energy industry if I deny it.

Perhaps because you still show up for work and effectively mop the floors and clean the restrooms.

 

[Arks&sparka]

Perhaps because you still show up for work and effectively mop the floors and clean the restrooms.

But I don't mop floors. So the energy industry is denying science too it would be the only way it would work.

 

[IBDaMann]

But I don't mop floors.

I don't know that. You haven't provided anything that indicates you know anything more than floor-mopping. You haven't been able to support an energy-related assertion.

 

[Arks&sparka]

I don't know that. You haven't provided anything that indicates you know anything more than floor-mopping. You haven't been able to support an energy-related assertion.

I don't do that. That's not how I debate. I'm not a leftist.

 

[IBDaMann]

I don't do that. That's not how I debate. I'm not a leftist.

Leftists are the ones who don't support their assertions. You are not supporting your assertions.

Leftists lie about their expertise. They think they are total geniuses when they are total morons.

 

[Arks&sparka]

Leftists are the ones who don't support their assertions. You are not supporting your assertions.

The way I appreciate debate is you are trying to convince me. So far you have failed.

Leftists lie about their expertise. They think they are total geniuses when they are total morons.

Odd you seem to be doing just that.

 

[IBDaMann]

The way I appreciate debate is you are trying to convince me.

Right, so when the shoe is on your foot, and you are trying to convince someone else ... you support your assertions. This is supposedly what you appreciate.

You have completely abdicated your part. Hence, your assertions are dismissed.

In the process of shirking your rhetorical responsibilities, you give others reason to believe that you are a lying Leftist who is merely a janitor because it's the best job he could get. Jussayn.

So far you have failed.

I can only fail if it is somehow my responsibility to convince me of your assertion. I just checked and it turns out that it's your job. In fact, there were several people who gave you every opportunity to convince them of your positions ... but you specifically declined.


It is odd that you claim that the "convincing" is what you appreciate and then you refuse to do so.

 

[Arks&sparka]

Right, so when the shoe is on your foot, and you are trying to convince someone else ... you support your assertions. This is supposedly what you appreciate.

I'm never trying to convince someone else this should be obvious.

You have completely abdicated your part. Hence, your assertions are dismissed.

My part is to be convinced. I do not care if you dismiss it.

In the process of shirking your rhetorical responsibilities, you give others reason to believe that you are a lying Leftist who is merely a janitor because it's the best job he could get. Jussayn.

Jump to any conclusion you want. My part is to be convinced. That's how I approve debate. I'm not interested in convincing you.

I can only fail if it is somehow my responsibility to convince me of your assertion. I just checked and it turns out that it's your job.

No, my job is to be convinced. That's my approach to debate. I've already stated this.

In fact, there were several people who gave you every opportunity to convince them of your positions ... but you specifically declined.

No shit sherlock. I decline in perpetuity. I'm sorry you can't grasp that even though I've very candidly explained how I approach debate multiple times.

It is odd that you claim that the "convincing" is what you appreciate and then you refuse to do so.

It's really not. Your just angry because I'm not playing the way you want me to.

Think of it like chess. You play to win, I play to prevent you from winning. I know it's frustrating. That's The point.

 

[IBDaMann]

On 27 October 2020 you made the following assertions.

[Assertion 1]The only way I think wind and solar have a future is if we get rid of the grid and people produce their own power.
[Assertion 2] nuclear energy is stuck in the Cold War. There is no development and no new production. Per investment dollar you get the greatest amount of return that makes it the future.
[Assertion 3]Wind and solar is on the opposite end of that ratio. It cannot be the future it is simply unsustainable.
[Assertion 4] The only thing that stands in the way of a breeder reactor, that is a reactor that depletes spent fuel rods, is an executive order from Jimmy Carter in April of 1971 that forbids using nuclear waste for any purpose. Once anybody does anything about that the gates will be open. it is government dictates that are deciding.

[Assertion 5]The only thing stopping cars from being fully electric is the battery. Once we get a battery with a solid state electrolyte, and it's capable of being recharged quickly the day of a gasoline powered car will be at an end. If you generate electricity with nuclear power that is powering the car with the electricity generated from nuclear power it doesn't have to be mobile. We just have to have a much more competent power grid.
[Assertion 6] the term fossil fuel comes from the concept of digging them out of a rock formation. Natural gas comes out of a rock formation therefore it is a fossil fuel. I didn't say it was a fossil.
[Assertion 7] real lions use electricity generated by an onboard diesel powered generator that is more efficient if it wasn't we would still use steam locomotives we do not.
it is used in absolutely everything it is our lifeblood.
[Assertion 8] Coal is used in metal refining. If we stopped we would be reduced to the bronze age.

When challenged, you responded:

I'm well versed in energy and I stand by my positions.

Now you claim:

I'm never trying to convince someone else this should be obvious.

Therefore when you post, you are merely writing a mixture of your strange world view sprinkled with random trivia. It would have saved others a lot of time if you had stated this up front and not led the board to believe that you were somehow debating.

My part is to be convinced.

That would normally be half of your part ... but you have just clarified that when you post you are specifically gibbering and that you should be ignored because you aren't debating.

I do not care if you dismiss it.

Clearly.

My part is to be convinced. That's how I approve debate. I'm not interested in convincing you.

Got it. You will be ignored. Thank you for the heads-up.

Think of it like chess. You play to win, I play to prevent you from winning.

Nope. You ask people to set up the board for a game and then you refuse to play, saying that's not what you do.

 

[Arks&sparka]

Got it. You will be ignored. Thank you for the heads-up.

that's right go find your safe space your little thumb and hug your little teddy bear.

Pfft millennials...

 

[IBDaMann]

that's right go find your safe space your little thumb and hug your little teddy bear. Pfft millennials...

You really don't get this whole internet message board thing.

Pfft janitors ...

 

[Arks&sparka]

You really don't get this whole internet message board thing.

Pfft janitors ...

You're the one crying about this not being your safe space because you're a precious little snowflake that can't handle other people with different approaches to debate.

Just get in your safe space you pathetic little millennial.

 

[Diogenes]

Climate change is a global emergency.

We have no time to waste in taking action.

The last four years have seen record-breaking storms, devastating wildfires, and historic floods.

Dams have failed catastrophically in Michigan.

Farmers’ crops have been drowned in their fields across the Midwest.

Coastal communities from Florida to New Jersey are facing an existential crisis as a result of sea level rise and stronger storms.

Thousands of Americans have died.

President Trump still callously and willfully denies the science that explains why so many are suffering.

 

[Arks&sparka]

Climate change is a global emergency.

This is a religious belief. One that I don't share.

We have no time to waste in taking action.

Repent and thou shalt be saved.

The last four years have seen record-breaking storms, devastating wildfires, and historic floods.

well wildfires were caused by arsonists and municipal governments refusing to manage their wildlands.

Storms and floods are as far as I know an anomaly. it may be related to the temperature increasing on the planet but it may not be.

Dams have failed catastrophically in Michigan.

Sounds more like an engineering or maintenance flaw.

Farmers’ crops have been drowned in their fields across the Midwest.

Coastal communities from Florida to New Jersey are facing an existential crisis as a result of sea level rise and stronger storms.

Thousands of Americans have died.

President Trump still callously and willfully denies the science that explains why so many are suffering.

I don't think anybody denies that the globe is warming up or that it could affect the weather. They are denying your apocalypse prophecy because those are always wrong.

 

[Diogenes]

The impacts of man-made climate change are not evenly distributed in our society.

Communities of color, low-income families, and Indigenous communities have long suffered disproportionate and cumulative harm from air pollution, water pollution, and toxic sites.

Millions of Americans have been denied access to clean, safe drinking water.

Pacific Islanders in Hawaii, Guam, American Samoa, and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands are losing their traditional way of life as sea level rise submerges their homelands.