Biden administration in Venezuela negotiations

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dukkha

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The visit is yet another example of a geopolitical shift underway across the globe in the wake of Russia's invasion of Ukraine as the U.S. and European countries seek energy sources other than Russia, one of the world's largest oil exporters.

News of the trip was first reported by The New York Times. That report prompted Republican Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence and Foreign Relations Committees and a vocal critic of the Maduro regime, to criticize the trip.

"Joe Biden using #Russia as an excuse to do the deal they always wanted to do anyway with the #MaduroRegime," Rubio tweeted Sunday morning. "Rather than produce more American oil he wants to replace the oil we buy from one murderous dictator with oil from another murderous dictator."

Rubio's active criticism of the Maduro regime and of the Cuban government through the years has resulted in occasional death threats against the senator, who's been known to travel with a Capitol Police security detail.

The U.S. broke off diplomatic relations with Caracas in 2019 after accusing Maduro's government of electoral fraud. The Trump administration more actively sought to topple Maduro and officially recognized opposition leader Juan Guaidó as the country's lawful leader. Maduro has grown closer to Russian President Vladimir Putin's government ever since.

But with lawmakers in the U.S. and Ukrainian officials clamoring for the western world to cut off Russian oil exports as a way of squeezing Putin's government for his invasion of Ukraine, the U.S. is actively seeking alternative energy sources. In recent weeks, American officials visited Gulf states to see about arranging for oil exports to European countries to make up for lost supply from Russia if Putin opts to cut off the continent from his country's oil.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/venezuela-russia-ukraine-biden-team-nicolas-maduro/
 
Buying oil from Venezuela or Iran deal is a really bad option, compared to buying Russian oil

Iran is a hegemonic sponser of state terrorism.
Maduro has ruined his country, and cause millions of refugees
^existential threats to the US and Israel
 
dukkha said:
Buying oil from Venezuela or Iran deal is a really bad option, compared to buying Russian oil

Iran is a hegemonic sponser of state terrorism.
Maduro has ruined his country, and cause millions of refugees
^existential threats to the US and Israel
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Probability it would be a short term arrangement, when as needed, and largely to meet European demands
 
Yet another totalitarian regime they want to buy oil from. They hope to make a deal with Venezuela and Iran so they can give our money to folks that hate us rather than pull cleaner oil from the US. (By any measure the US is cleaner than those two when drilling and transporting oil, folks who love the planet should reject the idea that we should give our money to Iran and Venezuela... but they won't because it is political science, not actual science, that matters).
 
Damocles said:
Yet another totalitarian regime they want to buy oil from. They hope to make a deal with Venezuela and Iran so they can give our money to folks that hate us rather than pull cleaner oil from the US. (By any measure the US is cleaner than those two when drilling and transporting oil, folks who love the planet should reject the idea that we should give our money to Iran and Venezuela... but they won't because it is political science, not actual science, that matters).
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So what would be a quicker path to getting more oil into the market now, not in six months or a year, but now?
 
U.S. Officials Travel to Venezuela, a Russia Ally, as the West Isolates Putin

Senior U.S. officials are traveling to Venezuela on Saturday to meet with the government of President Nicolás Maduro, according to people familiar with the matter, as the Biden administration steps up efforts to separate Russia from its remaining international allies amid a widening standoff over Ukraine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/05/world/americas/venezuela-russia-usa.html?smid=url-share
 
U.S. Officials Travel to Venezuela, a Russia Ally, as the West Isolates Putin

Senior U.S. officials are traveling to Venezuela on Saturday to meet with the government of President Nicolás Maduro, according to people familiar with the matter, as the Biden administration steps up efforts to separate Russia from its remaining international allies amid a widening standoff over Ukraine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/05/world/americas/venezuela-russia-usa.html?smid=url-share
 
archives said:
So what would be a quicker path to getting more oil into the market now, not in six months or a year, but now?
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Well, the quickest path would have been to not end energy independence in the first place. Since we can't go back in time and stop Brandon from stupid the US has no good "instant" choices. However, I'd rather have a delay in lower prices and get us back into energy independence. It may hurt for a bit, but we'd be far more secure when we reached independence. No more begging OPEC (which actually includes Venezuela who is also a Russian ally) and buying from Russia while they invade neighboring nations.

This idea that we should keep buying Russian oil until we can give our money to the largest state funder of terrorism and the worst communist nation in the Americas is just beyond disgusting. Thankfully the guys who buy oil are already not buying the Russian oil in spite of Brandon's insistence we need to keep that up.

Brandon needs to stop funding illegal wars just so we can buy oil a bit cheaper and needs to get us back on the path to energy independence.
 
Damocles said:
Well, the quickest path would have been to not end energy independence in the first place. Since we can't go back in time and stop Brandon from stupid the US has no good "instant" choices. However, I'd rather have a delay in lower prices and get us back into energy independence. It may hurt for a bit, but we'd be far more secure when we reached independence. No more begging OPEC (which actually includes Venezuela who is also a Russian ally) and buying from Russia while they invade neighboring nations.

This idea that we should keep buying Russian oil until we can give our money to the largest state funder of terrorism and the worst communist nation in the Americas is just beyond disgusting. Thankfully the guys who buy oil are already not buying the Russian oil in spite of Brandon's insistence we need to keep that up.

Brandon needs to stop funding illegal wars just so we can buy oil a bit cheaper and needs to get us back on the path to energy independence.
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Exactly, "we can't go back," and I serious doubt the "I'd rather have a delay in lower prices"

For beginners, oil independence is a misnomer (https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2021/11/14/is-the-us-energy-independent/?sh=6e189aad1387)

You are aware that the U.S. still exports oil, in fact, is the United States currently is the seventh largest exporter of oil in the world (https://www.investopedia.com/articles/company-insights/082316/worlds-top-10-oil-exporters.asp)

Any deal with these nations if most likely for short term, and largely to assist our European allies, would you rather see Putin invade probably all of Eastern Europe
 
archives said:
Exactly, "we can't go back," and I serious doubt the "I'd rather have a delay in lower prices"

For beginners, oil independence is a misnomer (https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2021/11/14/is-the-us-energy-independent/?sh=6e189aad1387)

You are aware that the U.S. still exports oil, in fact, is the United States currently is the seventh largest exporter of oil in the world (https://www.investopedia.com/articles/company-insights/082316/worlds-top-10-oil-exporters.asp)

Any deal with these nations if most likely for short term, and largely to assist our European allies, would you rather see Putin invade probably all of Eastern Europe
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However, the US is not a net exporter. We import more than we export. Pretending that there is no difference between gross and net are for idiots who cannot understand economic terms.

What you doubt about me can probably fill a whole thimble, but if I tell you something I believe it is because I believe it. I would absolutely rather wait than to fund more tyranny and to keep funding the Russians.

Every other first world nation has already embargoed Russia, only the US hasn't, because Brandon wants desperately to announce a "great agreement" with the one that funds terror so he can fill the gap by funding terror instead of Russia.

That you "doubt it" notwithstanding, our security is more important than continuing to fund tyranny, aggression and terrorism.
 
dukkha said:
Buying oil from Venezuela or Iran deal is a really bad option, compared to buying Russian oil

Iran is a hegemonic sponser of state terrorism.
Maduro has ruined his country, and cause millions of refugees
^existential threats to the US and Israel
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Does that make sense to you? WOW
 
dukkha said:
Buying oil from Venezuela or Iran deal is a really bad option, compared to buying Russian oil

Iran is a hegemonic sponser of state terrorism.
Maduro has ruined his country, and cause millions of refugees
^existential threats to the US and Israel
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It is an option that deals Russian oil out. That would further the Russian people's suffering. Venezuela is not taking over neighboring countries and threatening WW3.
 
Nordberg said:
It is an option that deals Russian oil out. That would further the Russian people's suffering. Venezuela is not taking over neighboring countries and threatening WW3.
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What about the rest of the worlds suffering....do you simply not give a fuck?
 
Damocles said:
Well, the quickest path would have been to not end energy independence in the first place. Since we can't go back in time and stop Brandon from stupid the US has no good "instant" choices. However, I'd rather have a delay in lower prices and get us back into energy independence. It may hurt for a bit, but we'd be far more secure when we reached independence. No more begging OPEC (which actually includes Venezuela who is also a Russian ally) and buying from Russia while they invade neighboring nations.

This idea that we should keep buying Russian oil until we can give our money to the largest state funder of terrorism and the worst communist nation in the Americas is just beyond disgusting. Thankfully the guys who buy oil are already not buying the Russian oil in spite of Brandon's insistence we need to keep that up.

Brandon needs to stop funding illegal wars just so we can buy oil a bit cheaper and needs to get us back on the path to energy independence.
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wow. that is it exactly
 
Nordberg said:
It is an option that deals Russian oil out. That would further the Russian people's suffering. Venezuela is not taking over neighboring countries and threatening WW3.
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we have worked to sanction the Maduro regime. Russia and Maduro are close ( i forget the details) but basically buying from Maduro allows him to buy more Russian influence - a strategic violation of our own Monroe Doctrine
 
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