bho's birth certificate revisited

Southern Man said:
Ten bucks and one phone call would get a copy of the microfiche file and the issue would be closed. Instead he spends a million to keep the lid on. Have you once asked yourself why?
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What do you expect to see on the other one that would change things?

How does his place of birth have any relevance since his mother was a U.S. citizen?
 
Southern Man said:
Interesting excuse: politics over truth.
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not at all...the truth of the matter is that the state of Hawaii is pretty clear that Obama was born in Hawaii....

the politics of it all would suggest that allowing the birthers - like you - to rant and rave about it only serves to enhance the president's position.

why would he act any differently?
 
Damocles said:
As I've said, I've always wondered what would happen when the "Most Transparent Administration in History" wasn't transparent, but it helped them....

Now I know.
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so you at least agree that the continued blathering by the birthers helps the Obama administration?

thank you.
 
Damocles said:
No, the epic proportions are usually saved for Carter/Reagan where only one state went for Carter. That was epic.

I'll correct 47% of the people who voted did not vote for Obama during the perfect storm for the Democrats. I find that comforting, although I recognize the loss.
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Damo, I don't know what you expected.

A victory margin of 15 to 20 points??? To my knowlege, those types of landslides never happen except in the case of an extremely popular incumbent versus a flawed and unviable opposition candidate.

Which didn't apply to this election. Say what you will about McCain, but he was a viable candidate. The only viable candiate the repugs could have nominated. The only dude that could have run against his own party. LOL.

So the 2008 election was for a democrat who opposed the GOP, and a republican who claimed he was running against the GOP, in effect. LOL. That hardly supports your argument that there is substantial republican strength.


I really don't think losing 80 house seats, 15 senate seats, and a presidential blowout on the scale of the Dukkakis blow out, over the last two years, is a sign of relative republican strenght.

But, if republicans think there isn't anything fundamentally wrong with their party, I'm cool with that.
 
Cypress said:
Damo, I don't know what you expected.

A victory margin of 15 to 20 points??? To my knowlege, those types of landslides never happen except in the case of an extremely popular incumbent versus a flawed and unviable opposition candidate.

Which didn't apply to this election. Say what you will about McCain, but he was a viable candidate. The only viable candiate the repugs could have nominated. The only dude that could have run against his own party. LOL.

So the 2008 election was for a democrat who opposed the GOP, and a republican who claimed he was running against the GOP, in effect. LOL. That hardly supports your argument that there is substantial republican strength.


I really don't think losing 80 house seats, 15 senate seats, and a presidential blowout on the scale of the Dukkakis blow out, over the last two years, is a sign of relative republican strenght.

But, if republicans think there isn't anything fundamentally wrong with their party, I'm cool with that.
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I expected a debacle, instead McCain managed to pull out a reasonable showing in the electoral college with 170 (definitely a loss)...

I pretty much expected a Carter style whooping. Instead I got a definite loss, but with some silver lining.
 
christiefan915 said:
What do you expect to see on the other one that would change things?

How does his place of birth have any relevance since his mother was a U.S. citizen?
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As I recall, his mother was too young at the time to qualify him that way; hence the flap of his birth certificate. Again, the COLB is apparently issued in Hawaii to folks who haven't been born there, in accordance with State law.
 
Damocles said:
As I've said, I've always wondered what would happen when the "Most Transparent Administration in History" wasn't transparent, but it helped them....

Now I know.
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The same folks who whined on and on about the so-called secrecy of the Bush administration, and over issues of national security, make every excuse in the world for the secrecy of the Obama Administration, and for common domestic issues.
 
I can't think of any group of morons in this nation then those who are trying to make an issue of Obama's citizenship. When I see this thinly veiled racism of these morons it just makes my skin crawl. These "birthers" are nothing more then a bunch of latent Kluxers. What's more they don't even have the basic honestly to admit their motivation is based on racism. If they could just see how stupid and asinine their rationalizations are. Pathetic, purely pathetic.
 
Southern Man said:
The same folks who whined on and on about the so-called secrecy of the Bush administration, and over issues of national security, make every excuse in the world for the secrecy of the Obama Administration, and for common domestic issues.
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Oh give me a fucking break. You can't even pick a legitimate example. *yawn*
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Oh give me a fucking break. You can't even pick a legitimate example. *yawn*
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I compare it to the freaks who wanted everybody to believe that Bush was AWOL so badly they were willing to continue to defend See B.S. News and Rather after they reported made up news.

In both cases it would have nothing to do with the actual validity or their ability to run for President.
 
Southern Man said:
We're not concerned about his driver's license, just his qualifications to be POTUS. *shrug*
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Is it even relevent what a bunch of wing nut cranks, like you, even think about the subject? This is worth about 10 nano seconds of thought. The mans a citizen. Get over it or go burn a cross in someones yard.
 
Southern Man said:
As I recall, his mother was too young at the time to qualify him that way; hence the flap of his birth certificate. Again, the COLB is apparently issued in Hawaii to folks who haven't been born there, in accordance with State law.
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Section 301 (a)(7) of the 1952 Act doesn't apply to Obama's mother because she wasn't yet 19 years old when he was born.

http://genealogy.about.com/b/2008/08/30/is-barack-obama-really-a-us-citizen.htm
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I can't think of any group of morons in this nation then those who are trying to make an issue of Obama's citizenship. When I see this thinly veiled racism of these morons it just makes my skin crawl. These "birthers" are nothing more then a bunch of latent Kluxers. What's more they don't even have the basic honestly to admit their motivation is based on racism. If they could just see how stupid and asinine their rationalizations are. Pathetic, purely pathetic.
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You pull the race card so easily. Reminds me of that Gates fellow who looks like such a pompous, racist ass.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I can't think of any group of morons in this nation then those who are trying to make an issue of Obama's citizenship. When I see this thinly veiled racism of these morons it just makes my skin crawl. These "birthers" are nothing more then a bunch of latent Kluxers. What's more they don't even have the basic honestly to admit their motivation is based on racism. If they could just see how stupid and asinine their rationalizations are. Pathetic, purely pathetic.
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yeah....that is why mccain was challenged in the same fashion...

and hey folks....if you question obama, you must be racist

:rolleyes:
 
Damocles said:
It wasn't a sweep, many states went for McCain. It was a win, but not one as large as I expected. I have no problems with losing, and find comfort that during the perfect storm, 47% still voted against your candidate.
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Your grasping at straws, Damo. http://www.monacome.com/2008/11/us-presidential-election-results-tally.html

If it were reversed you'd be telling me the same thing. The neocon driven GOP got whupped in a fair fight. The only thing that's going to resurrect the GOP is if Obama fails at every turn and the "waterloo" agenda works in Congress, or they dump the neocon agenda and get back to good old Republican values. But that's just my opinion.
 
Damocles said:
I expected a debacle, instead McCain managed to pull out a reasonable showing in the electoral college with 170 (definitely a loss)...

I pretty much expected a Carter style whooping. Instead I got a definite loss, but with some silver lining.
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Carter, as I recall only lost by 9% points. McCain lost by, what, 7%? And McCain had to run against his own party. And Carter would have pulled the margin closer, if John Anderson hadn't run, since Anderson bled off liberal support from carter. What do you think McCain would have gotten if he had strongly aligned himself with the republican party? The party of Bush, Cheney, John Boner, and Tom Delay. I'm guessing about 30%.



But, whatever. Its just bitching about arithmetic. If you want to think the republican party, in its modern form, the form its had for the last 20 years, is viable, more power to you
 
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