bho's birth certificate revisited

Dungheap said:
Actually, Congress cannot by statute define the terms in the Constitution. Only the courts have that power and they haven't weighed in on the issue.

Thanks for trying though.
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Congress didn't define it, the source cites U.S. Code (LAW) Title 8, Sec. 1401. This is from usconstitution.net ....doubt they are a right-wing source.

Uhm... thanks for trying though!

christiefan915 said:
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Nothing there about soil, Dix.
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Nope, not a word about soil! That is why I put "US soil" in quote marks. You see, the quote marks are often used to paraphrase something. Like when you want to save time, instead of posting "in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" you can just say "US soil" ...far less typing and it means essentially the same thing. Most non-retarded people understand what the quotes mean. Apparently you are retarded.

The fact that I typed "US soil" and not "in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" doesn't exonerate Obama or answer the questions about where he was born. It does absolutely nothing to refute the charges or support your view, it is nothing more than a myopic distraction from a nitwit who doesn't have an answer. So run along now, and find something constructive to do while the non-retards have a conversation. You are in way over your head here.
 
Dixie said:

OH MY FUCKING GOD, CAN YOU PEOPLE NOT STAY ON TOPIC AND STOP THIS STUPID PETTY NIT PICKING BULLSHIT OVER EVERY GODDAMN WORD I TYPE????
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Dixie - did it ever occur to you that words have meaning, and that you should say what you mean?

To come out and say that something doesn't exonerate Obama implies that he's guilty already, and needs to prove his "innocence." It's not merely a "choice of words."

You're really strange that way; you'll shred every mis-step and gaffe that Obama or one of his supporters makes, including those that have no real meaning. Suggesting he needs to be exonerated DOES have meaning. If you don't want people to comment on it, don't say it or imply it.
 
Dixie said:
YES BY GOD, EXONERATED! FROM THE CHARGES OF NOT BEING A LEGITIMATE CANDIDATE FOR THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY! THAT IS WHAT THIS FUCKING CONVERSATION IS ABOUT, MORON!
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Wow, that's freaky.

Are you doing the trippy "debate with self/contradict everything I say moments after I say it" thing on purpose now?
 
Onceler said:
Dixie - did it ever occur to you that words have meaning, and that you should say what you mean?

To come out and say that something doesn't exonerate Obama implies that he's guilty already, and needs to prove his "innocence." It's not merely a "choice of words."

You're really strange that way; you'll shred every mis-step and gaffe that Obama or one of his supporters makes, including those that have no real meaning. Suggesting he needs to be exonerated DOES have meaning. If you don't want people to comment on it, don't say it or imply it.
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He is guilty of not providing a certificate of live birth to prove he was born in the US! He isn't exonerated from that until he shows the birth certificate and exonerates himself. What a fucking nitwit!
 
Dixie said:
He is guilty of not providing a certificate of live birth to prove he was born in the US! He isn't exonerated from that until he shows the birth certificate and exonerates himself. What a fucking nitwit!
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Oh....really? If that makes him "guilty," shouldn't he be removed from office immediately?

I swear - you are the king of conjuring the "Twilight Zone" music on this board...
 
Onceler said:
Oh....really? If that makes him "guilty," shouldn't he be removed from office immediately?

I swear - you are the king of conjuring the "Twilight Zone" music on this board...
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Yes, he is guilty of not showing us his fucking goddamn birth certificate you simple minded twit! What part of that are you failing to comprehend in your little retarded pinhead? Obama has NOT provided a certified certificate of live birth (long-form) which every person born in a hospital in America has, and which would "EXONERATE" him from the "accusations" that he wasn't born in the United States. Is that fucking clear enough for your dumb ass, or should I type it again slower???
 
Dixie said:
Yes, he is guilty of not showing us his fucking goddamn birth certificate you simple minded twit! What part of that are you failing to comprehend in your little retarded pinhead? Obama has NOT provided a certified certificate of live birth (long-form) which every person born in a hospital in America has, and which would "EXONERATE" him from the "accusations" that he wasn't born in the United States. Is that fucking clear enough for your dumb ass, or should I type it again slower???
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Is this one of those posts where we lefties aren't bothering you "in the slightest," and are merely "amusing" to you?
 
But lets' fucking sidetrack the debate and discussion about Obama's legitimacy as president of the US and the issues of Constitutionality, because you want to obsess on Dixie's use of the word "exonerate" in a sentence, THAT is FAR fucking more important to this nation than whether the president is legitimate, isn't it?

Goddamn retard!
 
Yurt said:
LMAO.....

did you even read the case law? i've never known you to not jump at the chance to prove someone wrong....you even have the link....

nice surrender
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Yurt - There is no case law concerning what the term "natural born citizen" means in Article II of the Constitution. From your own link:

The term "natural born Citizen" has never been defined by the Courts in the course of a Presidential qualification challenge. It is believed by some people, including some of the so-called "birthers," that this provision means that only persons born on U.S. soil to two U.S. citizens are “natural born Citizens” of the nation and eligible to become President. There are others who believe that anyone who acquires citizenship by any means other than naturalization is a "natural born Citizen" and eligible for the Presidency. In between these extremes lie gray areas, some controversy,[2] and various obiter dicta from the courts.[3][4][5] A majority of commentators today argue that the Presidential Eligibility clause incorporates both common-law (jus soli) and English statutory (jus sanguinis) principles.[6]
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And Dickfer, the Congress can no more define what the term "natural born citizen" means in Article II than it can define what "arms" means for purposes of the Second Amendment, or what "speech" means for purposes of the First Amendment. What those terms mean is left for the courts to decide, not the Congress.
 
I would probably, myself, define it as anybody who is a citizen at birth and maintains that citizenship throughout.
 
I haven't wasted the time to read this thread .. but the very fact that right-wingers are still obsessing about Obama's birth certificate is the clearest demonstration yet that these people are genuinely ignorant.

ACORN, Wright, muslim, terrorist-loving, birth certificate .. on and on .. NONE of that bullshit has worked for you .. yet you continue to obsess like little children

... so amazing to watch
 
Dungheap said:
Yurt - There is no case law concerning what the term "natural born citizen" means in Article II of the Constitution. From your own link:




And Dickfer, the Congress can no more define what the term "natural born citizen" means in Article II than it can define what "arms" means for purposes of the Second Amendment, or what "speech" means for purposes of the First Amendment. What those terms mean is left for the courts to decide, not the Congress.
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Courts don't decide what words mean.
 
Dungheap said:
Yurt - There is no case law concerning what the term "natural born citizen" means in Article II of the Constitution. From your own link:




And Dickfer, the Congress can no more define what the term "natural born citizen" means in Article II than it can define what "arms" means for purposes of the Second Amendment, or what "speech" means for purposes of the First Amendment. What those terms mean is left for the courts to decide, not the Congress.
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you're right...its dictum...not rulings...i read it to quickly...i just read the title in the middle and the squibs and didn't see the word dictum

my bad

edit: they have though discussed what is a natural born citizen in the cases, but you're right not for presidential purposes
 
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