bho's birth certificate revisited

Children Born to one U.S. citizen and one alien parent

a. Born before or on November 13, 1986

The U.S. citizen parent must have been physically present in the United States for a cumulative period (or periods totaling) ten years before the birth of the child, at least five years of which were after the U.S. citizen parent reached the age of fourteen. If this requirement is met, the child acquires U.S. citizenship under the provisions of Section 301(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

But this isn't about being a citizen of the US. This about the special rules and regulations regarding people who seek the presidency. Arnold The Governator is an American citizen, but he can't run for president because he doesn't meet the provisions. Go check it out for yourself, you have to be BORN in the US, or on "US soil" which includes foreign military installations.
 
But this isn't about being a citizen of the US. This about the special rules and regulations regarding people who seek the presidency. Arnold The Governator is an American citizen, but he can't run for president because he doesn't meet the provisions. Go check it out for yourself, you have to be BORN in the US, or on "US soil" which includes foreign military installations.


I thought the U.S. Constitution simply said "natural born citizen." It doesn't say shit about "US soil" or foreign military installations.
 
i only happen to catch my name, but i can't read your posts as your font is blue....so i never read them just so happen scrolling up i saw Yurt

my question had nothing to do with people calling him a muslim, your strawman argument is failure. mccain was asked to produce his, but no one called racism, obama is asked to produce his and you guys call racism.....

hypocrisy in its finest form

Yes, you are a hypocrit....because on end you are trying to deny racism, yet on the other end you try NOT to acknowledge that the ONLY reason Obama is being hounded AFTER he has produced said credentials is because he is a black American who's father was a foreign muslim. Then you try to include McCain....well, McCain produced the SAME TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION AS OBAMA DID TO CONFIRM HIS CITIZENSHIP, and the issue was offer. Yet Obama gets hounded twice as bad, for the reasons I previously stated. Deal with it, or don't...because the evidence speaks for itself.
 
Yes, you are a hypocrit....because on end you are trying to deny racism, yet on the other end you try NOT to acknowledge that the ONLY reason Obama is being hounded AFTER he has produced said credentials is because he is a black American who's father was a foreign muslim. Then you try to include McCain....well, McCain produced the SAME TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION AS OBAMA DID TO CONFIRM HIS CITIZENSHIP, and the issue was offer. Yet Obama gets hounded twice as bad, for the reasons I previously stated. Deal with it, or don't...because the evidence speaks for itself.

you need medication....
 
Originally Posted by Yurt
i only happen to catch my name, but i can't read your posts as your font is blue....so i never read them just so happen scrolling up i saw Yurt

my question had nothing to do with people calling him a muslim, your strawman argument is failure. mccain was asked to produce his, but no one called racism, obama is asked to produce his and you guys call racism.....

hypocrisy in its finest form

Yes, you are a hypocrit....because on end you are trying to deny racism, yet on the other end you try NOT to acknowledge that the ONLY reason Obama is being hounded AFTER he has produced said credentials is because he is a black American who's father was a foreign muslim. Then you try to include McCain....well, McCain produced the SAME TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION AS OBAMA DID TO CONFIRM HIS CITIZENSHIP, and the issue was offer. Yet Obama gets hounded twice as bad, for the reasons I previously stated. Deal with it, or don't...because the evidence speaks for itself.

you need medication....

Translation: Yurt cannot support his BS, so he tries to bluff his way out by trying to turn the discussion into a personal slam fest. It doesn't work, he's done.
 
Yes, you are a hypocrit....because on end you are trying to deny racism, yet on the other end you try NOT to acknowledge that the ONLY reason Obama is being hounded AFTER he has produced said credentials is because he is a black American who's father was a foreign muslim. Then you try to include McCain....well, McCain produced the SAME TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION AS OBAMA DID TO CONFIRM HIS CITIZENSHIP, and the issue was offer. Yet Obama gets hounded twice as bad, for the reasons I previously stated. Deal with it, or don't...because the evidence speaks for itself.



Translation: Yurt cannot support his BS, so he tries to bluff his way out by trying to turn the discussion into a personal slam fest. It doesn't work, he's done.

everything i have posted in this thread is true. you have no disproved a single thing i have posted....you seriously are off your rocker....you need to reread my posts because it is clear you have no clue what you're talking about....
 
... McCain produced the SAME TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION AS OBAMA DID TO CONFIRM HIS CITIZENSHIP...

During the 2008 presidential campaign, GOP nominee Sen. John McCain quickly released his birth certificate when liberal bloggers raised questions about his eligibility to be president. McCain was born at a military hospital in Panama.

Obama likewise could put the matter to rest by releasing his actual birth certificate, which would show, among other things, the place of his birth and the doctor who performed the birth procedure. This information is not provided on the certification of live birth.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_birth_certificate/2009/07/22/238969.html

A birth certificate is not the same as a certificate of live birth.

Prediction: you'll attack NewsMax.
 
Please. We were able to compare grades between Kerry and Bush, read dissertations. Saw the military records of both of them. Same with McCain.

What do we get with Obama? An executive order making it so that it will take a court order to view historical records that pertain to His Majesty the One.

No records of grades, not even a peek at his original birth certificate (McCain put his out to shut up the critics and it worked.)

Really? Did anyone ASK for the school grades of Obama. Does his bio that was listed during the campaign refer to his degrees and teaching status? Did anyone contest whether any couldn't verify that? And did McCain produce the original document? And did he put on display in a glass case and carried it around to press conferences? Or did he produce what you, I, Obama and every other American has, a valid copy recognized by the State and Federal govt? Was his certificate verified, as Obama's was, by gov't/state officials.? In other words, if the answer is yes (which it is) it's over and done.This is why I am SO tired of the neocon bullshit that is repeated ad nauseum DESPITE THE FACTS.

Regardless of how this all turns out (IMO it will be disappointing for the Birthers), by acting like he has something to hide he creates the image that he has something to hide.
He didn't "Act" like he had anything to hide, because the assholes that started all this crap were NOT satisfied with what the Secret Service or State of Hawaii had to say on the matter. They demanded the original document from the State of Hawaii. Subsequently, the governor told them to fuck off. I concur.
 
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_birth_certificate/2009/07/22/238969.html

A birth certificate is not the same as a certificate of live birth.

Prediction: you'll attack NewsMax.

All you've done is just repeat the same old bullshit WITHOUT addressing the key point I made.....McCain produced the SAME TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION YOU, I, OBAMA AND THE REST OF AMERICA HAS....AN OFFICIAL COPY THAT IS RECOGNIZED BY STATE & FEDERAL GOV'T.

The yahoos that started all this crap didn't want that, they wanted what was with the official records in Hawaii. The governor told them to fuck off....advice you should take regarding this matter.
 
everything i have posted in this thread is true. you have no disproved a single thing i have posted....you seriously are off your rocker....you need to reread my posts because it is clear you have no clue what you're talking about....

You haven't "proved" anything, you nitwit....all you've done is just rehash some neocon bullshit that's long been dispelled. Even Michael Medved, the self proclaimed "intellectual" among the conservative groups said this is now a lunatic fringe issue. Bottom line: the assholes that started all of this weren't satisfied with an official copy, they wanted the State filed document. the Hawaiian governor told them to fuck off...advice you should take.
 
All you've done is just repeat the same old bullshit WITHOUT addressing the key point I made.....McCain produced the SAME TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION YOU, I, OBAMA AND THE REST OF AMERICA HAS....AN OFFICIAL COPY THAT IS RECOGNIZED BY STATE & FEDERAL GOV'T.

The yahoos that started all this crap didn't want that, they wanted what was with the official records in Hawaii. The governor told them to fuck off....advice you should take regarding this matter.
A "Certificate of Live Birth" which Obama produced is not the same as a long form "Birth Certificate" which McCain produced, although Obama could easily get one. *shrug*
 
He didn't "Act" like he had anything to hide, because the assholes that started all this crap were NOT satisfied with what the Secret Service or State of Hawaii had to say on the matter. They demanded the original document from the State of Hawaii. Subsequently, the governor told them to fuck off. I concur.
There was a fricking lawsuit for them because after being refused they wanted to see records that would otherwise have been public information, such as dissertations and other things.

So, yes, people did ask for such things as grades and other school records. Mostly because they were birthers who believed that he got aid for being Indonesian.

Pretending that fighting this hard to keep simple records away from the very people that could end this inanity isn't acting like he has something to hide is just partisan blinder action at its best. Get the press over, give them the documents, and move on already.
 
A "Certificate of Live Birth" which Obama produced is not the same as a long form "Birth Certificate" which McCain produced, although Obama could easily get one. *shrug*

you'll never convince them of that..then they wouldn't be able to call people, birthers.
 
I thought the U.S. Constitution simply said "natural born citizen." It doesn't say shit about "US soil" or foreign military installations.

Natural-born citizen

Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

* Anyone born inside the United States *
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
 
Natural-born citizen

Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

* Anyone born inside the United States *
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html


Actually, Congress cannot by statute define the terms in the Constitution. Only the courts have that power and they haven't weighed in on the issue.

Thanks for trying though.
 
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