bho's birth certificate revisited

Taichiliberal said:
You haven't "proved" anything, you nitwit....all you've done is just rehash some neocon bullshit that's long been dispelled. Even Michael Medved, the self proclaimed "intellectual" among the conservative groups said this is now a lunatic fringe issue. Bottom line: the assholes that started all of this weren't satisfied with an official copy, they wanted the State filed document. the Hawaiian governor told them to fuck off...advice you should take.
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why don't you simply show one thing i've said in this thread that is false.....
 
Dungheap said:
Actually, Congress cannot by statute define the terms in the Constitution. Only the courts have that power and they haven't weighed in on the issue.

Thanks for trying though.
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they can sure as hell make immigration laws that determine your citizenship status....scotus has ruled that congress has plenary power over immigration and scotus gives congress great deference....

so you're wrong
 
Yurt said:
they can sure as hell make immigration laws that determine your citizenship status....scotus has ruled that congress has plenary power over immigration and scotus gives congress great deference....

so you're wrong
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You're conflating two separate and distinct concepts. They have the power to makes laws regarding immigration and naturalization. However, they have no power to define what the term "natural born citizen" means with respect to Article II of the Constitution. The two are mutually exclusive concepts.
 
Dungheap said:
You're conflating two separate and distinct concepts. They have the power to makes laws regarding immigration and naturalization. However, they have no power to define what the term "natural born citizen" means with respect to Article II of the Constitution. The two are mutually exclusive concepts.
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you need to read the case law....here is a short wiki that as far as i remember is accurate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States
 
Damocles said:
And according to the State of Hawaii it is definitely in existence and can be seen with the permission of just one person. It could all be over now, except for the True Birthers who will believe he paid somebody to make a fake.
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Let's say that by some weird alignment of the planets a BC is found saying he was born in Kenya. How would that change anything?
 
Damocles said:
When he went to school there. You could not attend school in Indonesia by law without first gaining citizenship.

His argument is that at that time neither nation allowed for dual citizenship, in order to gain Indonesian citizenship he had to have his US citizenship revoked. Upon returning to the US his citizenship status was no longer "natural born".
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Even if that were true about school in Indonesia, he was still born in the U.S. before he went there. Is this like a religious thing, his first birth didn't count, only being "born again" does? :o
 
christiefan915 said:
Even if that were true about school in Indonesia, he was still born in the U.S. before he went there. Is this like a religious thing, his first birth didn't count, only being "born again" does? :o
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Oh, stop, you're killing me! Born again American!
 
Dixie said:
But this isn't about being a citizen of the US. This about the special rules and regulations regarding people who seek the presidency. Arnold The Governator is an American citizen, but he can't run for president because he doesn't meet the provisions. Go check it out for yourself, you have to be BORN in the US, or on "US soil" which includes foreign military installations.
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"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Nothing there about soil, Dix.
 
christiefan915 said:
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Nothing there about soil, Dix.
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Nope!
 
Damocles said:
There was a fricking lawsuit for them because after being refused they wanted to see records that would otherwise have been public information, such as dissertations and other things. There was a "fricking" lawsuit because they refused to accept what was public record. They wanted to go the "extra mile", and Obama and crew were under no obligation to indulge a bunch of neocon assholes desperately trying to derail his campaign. In the end, the were made fools of, and now bitter, they are essentially beating a dead horse....with folks like you indirectly justifying them.

So, yes, people did ask for such things as grades and other school records. Mostly because they were birthers who believed that he got aid for being Indonesian. And if those assholes had bothered to read the mans bio, they would have had their answers. But they had an AGENDA...where they wanted information to justify their beliefs. THEY FAILED.

Pretending that fighting this hard to keep simple records away from the very people that could end this inanity isn't acting like he has something to hide is just partisan blinder action at its best. Get the press over, give them the documents, and move on already.
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See the above and previous answers. They got their answers, they looked like the assholes they are. Now they're just being stubborn to the point of insipidness.
 
christiefan915 said:
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Nothing there about soil, Dix.
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Jeebus, you bold a portion of the exception for those who were, like George Washington, Citizens at the inception but could not have been born in the US because it didn't exist.

What does this have to do with the price of rice in China?
 
christiefan915 said:
Even if that were true about school in Indonesia, he was still born in the U.S. before he went there. Is this like a religious thing, his first birth didn't count, only being "born again" does? :o
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Not particularly. If you are not a citizen when you come here (an Indonesian citizen) then the most you could be is a naturalized citizen, even if you had been a citizen before.

Of course this is moot, as children were excepted (as I posted before) and allowed dual citizenship enabling to choose at the age of majority. So even if his adopted father (listed as the father on the records) endowed him with Indonesian citizenship he would have retained a dual citizenship here to allow him at 18 to choose which nation he would claim citizenship in.
 
Damocles said:
Not particularly. If you are not a citizen when you come here (an Indonesian citizen) then the most you could be is a naturalized citizen, even if you had been a citizen before.

Of course this is moot, as children were excepted (as I posted before) and allowed dual citizenship enabling to choose at the age of majority. So even if his adopted father (listed as the father on the records) endowed him with Indonesian citizenship he would have retained a dual citizenship here to allow him at 18 to choose which nation he would claim citizenship in.
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But in the United States you can have dual citizenship. He wouldn't have to choose anything.
 
Taichiliberal said:
When you repeat DISPROVEN statements as valid, that is a lie. When you tell HALF the story and then add on your supposition and conjecture, that is a lie. Essentially, you and the other neocon assholes are just being stubborn to the point of insipidness.

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2009/07/wingnut-birthers-have-no-case-against-obama.html
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translation....i can't provide a single thing yurt said is false or wrong...so i will continue to spread meadowmuffins across the board
 
Dungheap said:
But in the United States you can have dual citizenship. He wouldn't have to choose anything.
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You could not maintain dual citizenship at that time. That is a much more recent development and the reason why so many Americans who were Knighted in Britain had only an honorary Knighthood, as citizenship went with it if it was the real deal. Nowadays it wouldn't matter.
 
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