Bernie Sanders will Face Donald Trump in 2020 Election, Democrats Say

[Legion]

Terry McAuliff is the presumptive nominee. You heard it here first.

Global Crossing.

 

[Legion]

Sanders would win. I support Harris at this point.

This one's a keeper.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Hello again Uncensored2008,



A ridiculous statement. People on the left and on the right can be respectful or disrespectful. It is your belief which is sadly laughable. Donald Trump is on the right. He can be extremely disrespectful. Bernie Sanders is on the left. He is very respectful.

Just last night the old creep was shrieking;

{“Are you ready for a fight?” Sanders said. “Are you ready to defend Roe v. Wade? Are you ready to tell the Supreme Court that we think it’s absurd that they give constitutional rights to billionaires to buy elections and then tell women they don’t have the constitutional right to control their own bodies?”

“Are you ready to tell the Supreme Court that we are not going to eliminate pre-existing condition protections? Look, I am not going to kid anybody. This is a tough fight, but it is a fight that we can win,” he continued. “When 70 percent of the American people support Roe v. Wade, when people support protection for pre-existing rights, when people support environmental protection for worker’s rights, we have the American people on our side.”

Sanders challenged the crowd to go “state by state by state” and tell senators to “do what their constituents want.”}

http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/10/bernie-riles-up-crowd-scotus-pick/

Is that what you mean by "civil?"

What this all boils down to is the demand of you on the radical left that the normals sit down, shut up, and take it.

No.

our position is based on your perception of liberalism, which is not the same as liberalism. Each of us has only perceptions of things, which often differ.

Liberalism is the support of liberty - the polar opposite of what you Bolsheviks promote. You seek to crush civil rights. Attacks on the freedom of speech through hate speech censorship, attacks on the freedom of the press such as the CNN demand that Infowars be censored, attacks on freedom of religion "Bake the Cake Christian" etc.

There is nothing "liberal" about you Marxists; you are totalitarian thugs dedicated to utterly crushing individual liberty and doling out privilege based on group identification. Identity politics.

No, you merely state your own unique perception, which you are entitled to. Your perception will differ from that of another. To call your own perception fact is a supposition. The fact that you believe it to be fact does not make it a fact, either.

Utter nonsense.

I have many opinions. That the democrat party is hostile to civil rights and dedicated to the destruction of the Constitutional Republic is simple fact. Demonstrable and irrefutable.

I don't represent the left just because I am liberal. I am merely one individual. To take my statements and equate them with the left is your mistake. It's stereotyping, which is always dangerous.

You're not a liberal.

You have nothing in common with Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, or George Mason.

You have a GREAT deal in common with Josef Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, and Pol Pot, but that does not make you "liberal," quite the opposite.

The United States of America is a not an absolute which can be taken for granted, but a great experiment which could possibly fail.

Which you of the radical left are doing all you can to make it fail.

Such generalizations are usually fraught with inaccuracy. Just as saying there is nothing even remotely honest about the right. What I just said is not really correct, is it? You see it one way, I see it another, somebody else sees a different way altogether. (btw, I don't believe that statement. There is honesty on both sides.) Humans on the left and on the right are very good at fooling themselves. That's because there really is no reality. Each of us has merely his own perception of reality, no two of which are alike. And within our own brains, our perception of things is constantly changing. When we first learn of a concept, an image of it is formed within the brain. This initial perception is then modified as more information is perceived. Take a glance at a photo for one second. You see some things which you recall. If you subsequently study the photo in further detail, you see more things you previously did not notice. Your perception of the photo is then modified in your memory to include the newly noticed details. The photo has not changed. Your perception of it has. When two different people look at the same photo, they may notice different things. It is the same photo, but the two individuals have different perceptions of it. The photo is not reality. It is an image. A different photo of the same subject matter from a different angle will show different details. The two photos have differences. Neither is an absolute representation of the subject matter. Another photo taken at a different time or lighting will show still more differences. All of these are attempts to capture a real scene, but none of them is reality. Humans see in a certain bandwidth of visible light. Other animals see in different bandwidths, so they get even different perceptions, each unique. Senses vary between species and individuals. Perceptions are unique. And they can change.

Of course, it is tres chic to demand that there is no objective reality, It's idiocy of course. Drive a knife through you hand and see if your perception that you are immune can mitigate reality...

That is only your perception. I am on the left, and I prefer that everyone in our nation be highly educated and very well informed, because that is the best case for a functional democratic republic and the future of the USA.

Do you prefer all to be highly educated? Or do you seek an indoctrinated and mal-educated which blindly regurgitates leftist dogma?

And I was done even talking to them a long time ago. Now it is merely a chore to identify them and add them to the ever-growing Ignore list.

Certainly; for you of the left, conformity and blind obedience are to be prized. Shun those who think, or question.

But you are being polite to me. At least for now. It remains to be seen whether you will melt down and tell me off, or whether continued civil discourse between us will be ongoing. You have stated that you think the term 'low IQ leftists' is redundant, but you have also said 'there is a tiny elite of intellectuals who are blatantly dishonest and let's face it, evil.' These statements are at odds with one another. If your stereotype maintains that the left is low IQ, then how could some of the left be intellectuals?

Looks to me like your stereotyping has a chink in the armor. That is the nature of stereotyping. Stereotyping is an exercise in over simplification, and thus inaccuracy. It's thus unwise. Sure, it is more work to learn the unique combination of characteristics of each individual, but it is far more accurate and thus allows more accurate perception. Left? Right? Those are just labels for people who mostly agree on a similar set of ideas. There's smart and stupid people on both sides. Mature and also very immature. Everybody is unique. Complicated world. Nobody can master it. Nobody can know everything. We are all students of life. We must remain united in our dedication to our country to preserve it for our descendants. Together we have to find a way to preserve this great experiment while advancing it and guiding it through progress and growth.

That I have well honed rhetorical skills is in no way indicative that I am being polite Obtaining a Ph.D. instills in one a mastery of the language of academia, as well as contempt for same.

Everyone should be held to the same standards of decency. If you proclaim to be above certain actions which you then participate in, you should expect to be rightly criticized.

Save for when dealing with Donald Trump, his family, Sarah Sanders, et al...

Frankly, I see no standards at all with the left; and this did not begin with the deranged hatred the left has for Trump. The left treated Dubya in an identical fashion.

That sounds self-contradictory. Normal and radical are two different groups. If an individual cross over, then that does not mean masses have. That individual may wish to believe that, and such belief may help that individual feel that he is doing the right thing, but that doesn't make it fact. If masses became radical, social order would break down into armed revolution. We don't have that, so normal people are not radical.

Think deeper.

The coastal elites have contempt for fly over country. What do leftist leaders call people? "Hillbillies?" "Rubes?" Didn't Harry Reid claim that he could "smell the tourists from middle America?"

The hatred the left has for normal Americans is palatable, visceral.

But the normals are woke, the normals will get in the face of the leftist Oligarchs, we are fighting back.

Donald Trump was us being nice, playing by the rules. How did you of the left react? Peter Strzok trying to rig the election? This attempt to stage a coup under Mueller? Ah, but we should all go back to sleep to the Hate Show with Stephen Colbert and the rest of the America hating left.

Then I am glad you and I agree the nation cannot be taken for granted. As to your statement: "The principles the nation was founded on and prospered under indeed are sufficient to stand on their own merit under honest evaluation." That is true and I again agree. We merely disagree as to what those principles are. And this is normal. So did the founders!

Our founders very strongly disagreed on ideas and ideal, no question. One of the founders of the democrat party, Aaron Burr, went so far as to shoot and kill Alexander Hamilton. I could see Michael Moore attempting that.

We are both normals. What is a normal? Who is this 'normal citizen?' How much is any of us allowed to deviate from that one 'normal person' and still also be normal? Well, of course, those are facetious questions. Normal is subjective.

There is this peculiar phenomenon among some Trump supporters that they want to think they somehow represent 'the REAL America.' They think they are the only Americans which are rightly supposed to have power and determine policy. Which is absurd because the Constitution gives each individual one vote. But among these particular Trump supporters, not all of them, they believe there are more of them than there really are. They disbelieve the polls. They think Trump's inauguration was the biggest, that Trump really won the popular vote, that most of America loves him. They are sadly mistaken, but they really believe this. They are not normal, but they THINK they are. Very sad, but it is their right, and that should be protected. But we don't have to agree.

Normals are those in the middle of the country who work each day and just try to survive.

That describes neither of us.

No, it is not. This is only the perception of some. And it makes no sense. Why would citizens of a nation want to destroy their own nation? Many on the left LOVE this country and the Constitution greatly, and wish to preserve both. And they hold these principles in common with most of the right.

The left holds the view that we are a racist, greedy, unfair nation and that if only we adopt socialism will we be saved. The objective of the democrat party is the utter and complete destruction of the Constitutional Republic.

Objective reality exists,

Denial of reality is not enlightened, it is mental illness.

You have not shown that the left desires to abandon the Constitution. You have merely stated it. Saying things is easy. That doesn't make them true.



You have failed to show that Democrats would oppose liberty.



I've said nothing of the sort. My Ignore policy is clearly stated. You either share common respect or I won't be reading what you write. It's really quite plainly stated.



I couldn't care less what some people think. Respectful people do not live by the views of disrespectful people. Meaningless words are just that.

You appear to believe this forum is some sort of contest or game which can be won or lost. I don't see it that way at all. Many view it entirely differently. Some find the Ignore feature highly useful, myself included. If you don't want to use it, that is your prerogative.

I have no problem understanding ideas or refuting them where I disagree. But if it boils down to personal insults then ideas are no longer being discussed. Thus, I find it logical to simply filter those posts out and quickly move on to posts which do not include insults.

Nobody lives forever. We do not have unlimited time on this planet. It is logical to make a decision how to spend one's limited time of existence. Choosing to avoid insult contests avoids wasting time on something uninteresting. This has the advantage of freeing up more time to focus on ideas. Those who spend time immersed in flame wars are not spending that time learning anything. Thus, those who do not devolve into flame wars have more time to lean things, and more chances to become more well informed.

I do insult people, but not blindly. For the most part, I give what I get.

 

[Airstrip One]

Bernie is too old. Warren ,there is no pocahatas, has spent a life time trying to help and protest American consumers as a writer and an advocate. She is what the people need. She actually got the CFPB passed and working. I asm sure you don't like an agency that got financial contracts written so people can understand tham. Got a rein on Payday lenders Stoped banks from making phony accounts in customers names. And fined banks for looting the customers. How can anyone call her pocahantas. What a rude and nasty, TRumpian thing to do.

Pocahontas is a hypocrite.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/lo...records_prof_profited_by_buying_selling_homes

And the CFPB was deliberately build to be unaccountable. Anyone who values the rule of law (not leftists) should be appalled.

 

[dukkha]

Got some FB feed under #UnitedforBernie with the London protestors.

I asked what was the London protest about. I was immediately accused of trying to hide in plain sight.
I said I voted for Bernie and Trump, and got the usual standard Democratic reaction coupled with hysterical rejection

*I was just askin'*

 

[Nordberg]

Pocahontas is a hypocrite.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/lo...records_prof_profited_by_buying_selling_homes

And the CFPB was deliberately build to be unaccountable. Anyone who values the rule of law (not leftists) should be appalled.

Fuck no. She is a public servant who has the welfare of American consumers as her goal. She has proven that for decades. You should applaud her work on consumer protection. You shoul;d be proud of her work. Can you picture Trump saying this? https://www.warren.senate.gov/newsr...loor-speech-condemning-dark-money-in-politics

 

[Airstrip One]

Fuck no. She is a public servant who has the welfare of American consumers as her goal. She has proven that for decades. You should applaud her work on consumer protection. You shoul;d be proud of her work. Can you picture Trump saying this? https://www.warren.senate.gov/newsr...loor-speech-condemning-dark-money-in-politics

He's as big of a hypocrite as she is, so, yes.

 

[Cancel 2018.1]

Liberalism is the support of liberty - the polar opposite of what you Bolsheviks promote. You seek to crush civil rights. Attacks on the freedom of speech through hate speech censorship, attacks on the freedom of the press such as the CNN demand that Infowars be censored, attacks on freedom of religion "Bake the Cake Christian" etc.

Utter nonsense.

You're not a liberal.

You have nothing in common with Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, or George Mason.

You get it. Very few here do. I've stated many times here that I'm a liberal.

You have a GREAT deal in common with Josef Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, and Pol Pot, but that does not make you "liberal," quite the opposite.
Of course, it is tres chic to demand that there is no objective reality, It's idiocy of course. Drive a knife through you hand and see if your perception that you are immune can mitigate reality...

Do you prefer all to be highly educated? Or do you seek an indoctrinated and mal-educated which blindly regurgitates leftist dogma?
Certainly; for you of the left, conformity and blind obedience are to be prized. Shun those who think, or question.

That I have well honed rhetorical skills is in no way indicative that I am being polite Obtaining a Ph.D. instills in one a mastery of the language of academia, as well as contempt for same.
Save for when dealing with Donald Trump, his family, Sarah Sanders, et al...
Frankly, I see no standards at all with the left; and this did not begin with the deranged hatred the left has for Trump. The left treated Dubya in an identical fashion.
Think deeper.
The coastal elites have contempt for fly over country. What do leftist leaders call people? "Hillbillies?" "Rubes?" Didn't Harry Reid claim that he could "smell the tourists from middle America?"
The hatred the left has for normal Americans is palatable, visceral.
But the normals are woke, the normals will get in the face of the leftist Oligarchs, we are fighting back.
Donald Trump was us being nice, playing by the rules. How did you of the left react? Peter Strzok trying to rig the election? This attempt to stage a coup under Mueller? Ah, but we should all go back to sleep to the Hate Show with Stephen Colbert and the rest of the America hating left.
That describes neither of us.
The left holds the view that we are a racist, greedy, unfair nation and that if only we adopt socialism will we be saved. The objective of the democrat party is the utter and complete destruction of the Constitutional Republic.
Objective reality exists,
Denial of reality is not enlightened, it is mental illness.

Good post.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Uncensored2008,

What this all boils down to is the demand of you on the radical left that the normals sit down, shut up, and take it.

No.

Rather than do as you perceive, I have engaged you in civil discourse.

Liberalism is the support of liberty - the polar opposite of what you Bolsheviks promote. You seek to crush civil rights. Attacks on the freedom of speech through hate speech censorship, attacks on the freedom of the press such as the CNN demand that Infowars be censored, attacks on freedom of religion "Bake the Cake Christian" etc.

There is nothing "liberal" about you Marxists; you are totalitarian thugs dedicated to utterly crushing individual liberty and doling out privilege based on group identification. Identity politics.

My perception of politics is issue-based.

Yours appears to be stereotype-based.

That the democrat party is hostile to civil rights and dedicated to the destruction of the Constitutional Republic is simple fact. Demonstrable and irrefutable.

Balderdash.

You're not a liberal.

You have nothing in common with Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, or George Mason.

You have a GREAT deal in common with Josef Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, and Pol Pot, but that does not make you "liberal," quite the opposite.

I don't want a dictatorship, have never advocated for that. Give it up. Here we go with the stereotypes again. Such a huge assumption to be basing a political view on. Better verify it. Could be a sandcastle at low tide.

Which you of the radical left are doing all you can to make it fail.

You are entitled to your opinion. ps, I am not of the radical left. I am moderately left.

Do you prefer all to be highly educated?

All who might aspire to it.

Or do you seek an indoctrinated and mal-educated which blindly regurgitates leftist dogma?

Not at all. I am glad we have conservatives and liberals. Diversity of views makes America great.

Certainly; for you of the left, conformity and blind obedience are to be prized.

Wrong. (Your stereotype is failing you.)

Shun those who think, or question.

I don't fit your stereotype. I believe we should cherish free thinkers, listen to all ideas.

That I have well honed rhetorical skills is in no way indicative that I am being polite Obtaining a Ph.D. instills in one a mastery of the language of academia, as well as contempt for same.

I didn't really like school much myself. Glad to be not going back. But I do like learning. I just like to do it at my own pace and in areas I feel like exploring.

Frankly, I see no standards at all with the left; and this did not begin with the deranged hatred the left has for Trump. The left treated Dubya in an identical fashion.

It seems that you believe the left is completely comprised of multitudes of clones of just one set of thinking; as opposed to millions of individuals, each with their own set of circumstances leading them to agreement on just a few concepts with a wide degree of variability and differences.

The coastal elites have contempt for fly over country. What do leftist leaders call people? "Hillbillies?" "Rubes?" Didn't Harry Reid claim that he could "smell the tourists from middle America?"

The hatred the left has for normal Americans is palatable, visceral.

And do you think the left are like the Borg of Star Trek Next Gen, each taking their download from Mr Reid, unable to think independently?

But the normals are woke, the normals will get in the face of the leftist Oligarchs, we are fighting back.

Donald Trump was us being nice, playing by the rules. How did you of the left react? Peter Strzok trying to rig the election? This attempt to stage a coup under Mueller? Ah, but we should all go back to sleep to the Hate Show with Stephen Colbert and the rest of the America hating left.

You possess a vivid imagination.

The left holds the view that we are a racist, greedy, unfair nation and that if only we adopt socialism will we be saved. The objective of the democrat party is the utter and complete destruction of the Constitutional Republic.

It is illogical to think that a major party of the USA seeks the destruction of the USA. Better check that thought process. Maybe it is the stereotyping thing which has lead to this absurd conclusion? Just consider that the Democratic Party had both houses of Congress and the Presidency, and did not destroy the USA while they had the chance. If they really wanted to do as you believe, they would have done it already. But they didn't. So maybe your thinking is not complete.