Bernie Just Keeps on PRAISING THE CUBAN REGIME...

dukkha said:
you are running your def. together. Granted there is some overlapping , but the MIC is generally termed as the military having undo sway over policy. It doesn't mean the MIC is actively trying to influence policy,just that it's such a Big Thing many legislators only take the military p.o.v.
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Not just the military having sway, but the private arms dealers too. Influencing policy to push more arms sales to other countries - which is what Trump has also been doing.

Part 810s authorizations are done and published for public and Congressional review. It's a CiC function
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The Saudis giving Republicans millions of dollars for government contracts is still deep state corruption.

soldiers are only allowed to defy "illegal orders" not policy disputes
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Helping Russia while extorting Ukraine for personal political gain is not a policy dispute.
 
Casual Leftist said:
Not just the military having sway, but the private arms dealers too. Influencing policy to push more arms sales to other countries - which is what Trump has also been doing.
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you'd have to cite what you mean, but there is nothing wrong with this on it's face

The Saudis giving Republicans millions of dollars for government contracts is still deep state corruption.
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Saudis are funding Republican campaigns? yes that's illegal -but again cite

Helping Russia while extorting Ukraine for personal political gain is not a policy dispute.
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The House never charged Articles of Impeachment as "extortion"
 
dukkha said:
you'd have to cite what you mean, but there is nothing wrong with this on it's face
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You might be surprised how corruption is often designed not to seem wrong on its face. Do you know what lobbying is? https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000104&cycle=2020

Saudis are funding Republican campaigns? yes that's illegal -but again cite
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https://www.albawaba.com/node/whist...funnel-hundreds-millions-trumps-2016-campaign

The House never charged Articles of Impeachment as "extortion"
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It was an Abuse of Power and was charged as such. Extortion is an abuse of power.

please do a better job of expressing your ideas. I can't understand what you are advocating about sanders here
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If you're saying that Bernie not being a servile dog like Cruz is "kind of a bad place for a US POTUS (or candidate)to die upon" then my response would be better understood as spelling out that Washington is considered bad because it's full of dishonest shills like Ted Cruz. Bernie isn't part of the problem that is in Washington. If you expect to fix Washington you can't send the kind of craven dogs there like Cruz and Graham.
 
Casual Leftist said:
You might be surprised how corruption is often designed not to seem wrong on its face. Do you know what lobbying is? https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000104&cycle=2020
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i'm familiar with Open Secrets, and I agree this business of going into the government, and then using those contacts after to lobby is a corruption


https://www.albawaba.com/node/whist...funnel-hundreds-millions-trumps-2016-campaign
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absolutely zero corroboration. It's as empty as 'Russian collusion'. It's fake news for all I can tell


It was an Abuse of Power and was charged as such. Extortion is an abuse of power.
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extortion is a crime, abuse of power is not. extortion is impeachable, abuse of power without underlying crimes ( Nixon was impeached with abuse of power, but had underlying crimes)
is not an enumerated Constitutional offense.
 
Casual Leftist said:
Yes based on him not being in the WH before Jan 1 2017. But if you knew anything about the Deep state is that it filled with many people who've never been president before or even in government. Kushner's job during the campaign was to set up back channels so if they won he'd already be connected to deep state factions like the Saudi's. Trump has been pushing a lot of military contracts.
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LINK to this bullshit please.
 
Casual Leftist said:
Well hold on now. What about the back channel with Reagan and Iran to hold hostages longer to make Carter look bad? Which then lead to the Iran Contra scandal later in his presidency? The Military Industrial Complex is part of the Deep State.
Trump setting up deals with the Saudis to funnel millions into the GOP then giving them nuclear technology and arms to fight in Yemen - this seems like Deep state business.
If POTUS policy goes against US interest/safety it is any soldiers duty to defy it.
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dukkha said:
oh please..not "blood for oil". Iraq was Cheney and Rumsfeld wet dream as the neocons they are.
They hoodwinked a willing Bush, and off we went into regime change ( always bad -just like Libya by Obama)
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Now we are a NET EXPORTER OF OIL....TY DJT.
 
Irish said:
You don't think Ted Cruz believes what he says?
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Ted Cruz said he wouldn't stand for a man who insulted his wife and father. That wasn't true.

It's Refreshing that hes honest about praising communist regimes?
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Do you know what the word nuance means? Do you ever bother to wonder why Cuba's literacy rate was so low before Castro?
 
dukkha said:
oh please..not "blood for oil". Iraq was Cheney and Rumsfeld wet dream as the neocons they are.
They hoodwinked a willing Bush, and off we went into regime change ( always bad -just like Libya by Obama)
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Okay? You acknowledge instances of the MIC manipulating both Bush and Obama? What makes you think they aren't doing it to Trump?
 
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