Ben Shapiro speaking at Cal

cawacko said:
When one calls certain economic policies evil then says the policies which contribute to the highest poverty rate compassionate how would you react?
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Why I'd scour the dark web for proof those "la la land fruits and nuts" have the highest poverty!
 
aloysious said:
Nowhere does it say that . What it means is that the cost of living is higher therefore a dollar doesn't go as far as it would in Kansas, e.g.
But I think you know that. At least I'd hope you do. Probably better to be dishonest than stupid.
What cawacko brings home is that income disparity is worse in CA , same as he's done in many other threads and posts of his .
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Income disparity with California having a MUCH higher top than every other state AND almost every other country.

California Has More Billionaires Than Every Country Except The U.S. And China

It (California) not only has more billionaires than any other U.S. state, but also tops Germany, India, Russia and the UK. In fact, if California were a country, it would be home to the third-highest number of billionaires in the world, surpassed only by the United States (which has 541) and China (which has 223). California's billionaires own*a combined $560.1 billion in wealth, which is more than the GDP of 49 countries, including Argentina, Poland and Taiwan.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/katias...ountry-except-the-u-s-and-china/#2ff1ad40637c

Surely you know economics well enough to recognize that the size of the disparity is determined by the levels of top and bottom rates, not necessarily by the disparities in the lives of the people at the bottom.

You're poor .. California or Mississippi .. where are you going to choose to live? You're going to live in California because social services and COMPASSION for your plight are going to be far better in California.

Respectfully, both you and Cawacko are using the tactics of Ben Shapiro with half-truths that lead to greater lies to make less than honest points.

No disrespect intended to either of you.
 
I have to admit, and commend you all to page 9 of 32 of cwacky's link, that red and purple states show lesser poverty using the supplemental measure than the official one, whereas the northeastern seaboard and California do worse. A lot of states are unchanged, however.

Don't kill me for my honesty.
 
cawacko said:
I posted the facts. We have the highest poverty rate in the country. I post all the time about our housing and zoning laws which is the major driver here.
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California is a magnet for people coming into the country .. often unemployed, often undocumented.

Thus, in the midst of all the goes right for California, there is also much that has gone wrong.

However, I trust democratic governance to address the wrongs far more than I trust your party .. which has not demonstrated its ability to correctly address poverty in many of the states they run.
 
blackascoal said:
Income disparity with California having a MUCH higher top than every other state AND almost every other country.

California Has More Billionaires Than Every Country Except The U.S. And China

It (California) not only has more billionaires than any other U.S. state, but also tops Germany, India, Russia and the UK. In fact, if California were a country, it would be home to the third-highest number of billionaires in the world, surpassed only by the United States (which has 541) and China (which has 223). California's billionaires own*a combined $560.1 billion in wealth, which is more than the GDP of 49 countries, including Argentina, Poland and Taiwan.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/katias...ountry-except-the-u-s-and-china/#2ff1ad40637c

Surely you know economics well enough to recognize that the size of the disparity is determined by the levels of top and bottom rates, not necessarily by the disparities in the lives of the people at the bottom.

You're poor .. California or Mississippi .. where are you going to choose to live? You're going to live in California because social services and COMPASSION for your plight are going to be far better in California.

Respectfully, both you and Cawacko are using the tactics of Ben Shapiro with half-truths that lead to greater lies to make less than honest points.

No disrespect intended to either of you.
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It's all reletive actually.
I could live on next to nothing in Horseshoe Bend, Idaho.
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I'd rather live there than in the avg. trailer park in Anchorage.
 
blackascoal said:
California is a magnet for people coming into the country .. often unemployed, often undocumented.

Thus, in the midst of all the goes right for California, there is also much that has gone wrong.

However, I trust democratic governance to address the wrongs far more than I trust your party .. which has not demonstrated its ability to correctly address poverty in many of the states they run.
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You're free to support whoever you like. But when you look at the supplemental poverty numbers you see the real poverty with cost of living included. When you zone land to restrict development to drive up housing prices you drive people out and you force people to pay far more of their income on housing than elsewhere in the country. Those are policy choices people make.
 
I, like most Americans, wouldn't want to live in Horse Bend, Idaho, nor Anchorage, Alaska.

There are very good reasons why few people live in either.
 
blackascoal said:
9 out of the 10 poorest states in the nation are all republican .. that on top of 97% of the poorest counties in the nation are all republican led and controlled. Is that what you'd call 'compassion?'

Given that you say nothing about those truths, I'd say it's safe to say that you aren't really concerned about poverty. compassion, or poor people as much as you are trying to score political points.

I'm guessing that even those in poverty would rather live in California than Mississippi.
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and poor people in all nine of them find it easier to live than a poor person in San Francisco or New York City.......shucks, in West Michigan if you make 24,000 a year you don't even have to be homeless......try that in San Francisco......
 
cawacko said:
You're free to support whoever you like. But when you look at the supplemental poverty numbers you see the real poverty with cost of living included. When you zone land to restrict development to drive up housing prices you drive people out and you force people to pay far more of their income on housing than elsewhere in the country. Those are policy choices people make.
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If California makes you so miserable, why do you live there?

It won't miss you.

Let me guess .. you live there because you want to.
 
blackascoal said:
If California makes you so miserable, why do you live there?

It won't miss you.

Let me guess .. you live there because you want to.
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I live here because I grew up here and my family is here. California doesn't make me miserable. But living here doesn't mean I can't speak to the good and the bad in the state.

And we were talking policy. Housing costs and the cost of living is a direct result of the state's progressive policies. This is what you are arguing for
 
blackascoal said:
I, like most Americans, wouldn't want to live in Horse Bend, Idaho, nor Anchorage, Alaska.

There are very good reasons why few people live in either.
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Like I said it's all relative. I'm suspect poor folks live in MS rather than CA because that's where they choose to live for various reasons, most often family.
 
cawacko said:
I live here because I grew up here and my family is here. California doesn't make me miserable. But living here doesn't mean I can't speak to the good and the bad in the state.

And we were talking policy. Housing costs and the cost of living is a direct result of the state's progressive policies. This is what you are arguing for
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Absolutely I'm arguing for progressive policies rather that the abject failures of the right.

What exactly does the right intend to do about all the gross poverty levels in the states they control? Any idea?
 
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