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The riots were absolutely necessary because black youth were being slaughtered wholesale by the police without any serious oversight. I could have easily been one of those statistics for no other reason than the color of my skin.

That phrase there speaks volumes... Yes, the police forces of the 1950's and 1960's were corrupt monsters that had strayed from their original mission to protect all the people. They were not integrated and this fostered racial animus .

But has anything changed? Black youth are still being slaughtered in Detroit and yet there is no public outcry comparable to the Riots in the 1960s. This time it isn't White cops against African Americans... It's Blacks against Blacks. The rate of violent crime is rising and with 380 more police jobs being cut as of this week the problem can only get worse. To date there have been 160 murders in Detroit in 2013. That is comparable to there being approximately 1800 murders in NYC. Yet in NYC for the same period the toll is 156. NYC has fewer Numerical Murders in a city of over 10 million people!

We had our problems with corruption in the 1960's. We've had issues of brutality both before and since then. So how do we do it? How does the most populated city fight crime ?

When Giuliani took over for Dinkins in 1993 we had over 2000 murders. That number last year stood at 400.

It starts with Quality of life crimes: Eliminate the Pan-handlers, squeegee men, prostitutes, corner drug dealers, public intoxication and other MINOR CRIMES. When these MINOR crimes are allowed to go on unimpeded the larger crimes follow right behind them. Here we also have Stop and Frisk. In Detroit since the Majority of people (83%) are African American and the neighborhoods where crimes are committed most are Majority African American a program like Stop and Frisk will get Guns off the Streets. This wouldnt be in anyway racist as Detroit is a Majority African American City. In NYC we have far greater diversity and Stop and Frisk is used in conjunction with COPSTAT to target the highest crime neighborhoods. The use of a Curfew and Stop and Frisk could slash the murder and shooting rate in Detroit in a Year. It is something to look at. Yes...in NYC Stop and Frisk is controversial.. but it produces results. It saves lives ...

If Detroit adopted our system of COPSTAT and applied forces according to the trends it shows Detroit could easily allocate scant resources to neighborhoods and produce immediate results... Just be aware... when we instituted COPSTAT we had to build new Jails for all the criminals it caught.

Quality of Life Crimes, Curfews for those under 21, Stop and Frisk and Centralized Reporting and tracking of problem areas are the best start to lowering the crime rate in Detroit.

They have nothing to lose... and everything to gain.
 
Oh, I know the Chinese are moving in to Africa. But my guess is they aren't doing it because they think of Africans as their brothers and sisters, equal in all ways. They are doing it for profit.

It would be great if Chinese became less racist. Don't see it happening, but I hope I'm wrong.
 
And just to be clear when I say Chinese Investors I'm referring to people living in China, not Chinese-Americans.

I understand. Good point.

The closest I come to that is my experience with Chinese exchange students.

Some call the Chinese expansion into Africa the 'new colonialism' .. but colonialism never looked like what the Chinese are doing.
 
Oh, I know the Chinese are moving in to Africa. But my guess is they aren't doing it because they think of Africans as their brothers and sisters, equal in all ways. They are doing it for profit.

It would be great if Chinese became less racist. Don't see it happening, but I hope I'm wrong.

That could be changing good sister.

On Being Black in China
People of African origin are still uncommon in China, but the infusion of international culture has started to erode traditional bigotries.

http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/07/on-being-black-in-china/277878/
 
That phrase there speaks volumes... Yes, the police forces of the 1950's and 1960's were corrupt monsters that had strayed from their original mission to protect all the people. They were not integrated and this fostered racial animus .

But has anything changed? Black youth are still being slaughtered in Detroit and yet there is no public outcry comparable to the Riots in the 1960s. This time it isn't White cops against African Americans... It's Blacks against Blacks. The rate of violent crime is rising and with 380 more police jobs being cut as of this week the problem can only get worse. To date there have been 160 murders in Detroit in 2013. That is comparable to there being approximately 1800 murders in NYC. Yet in NYC for the same period the toll is 156. NYC has fewer Numerical Murders in a city of over 10 million people!

We had our problems with corruption in the 1960's. We've had issues of brutality both before and since then. So how do we do it? How does the most populated city fight crime ?

When Giuliani took over for Dinkins in 1993 we had over 2000 murders. That number last year stood at 400.

It starts with Quality of life crimes: Eliminate the Pan-handlers, squeegee men, prostitutes, corner drug dealers, public intoxication and other MINOR CRIMES. When these MINOR crimes are allowed to go on unimpeded the larger crimes follow right behind them. Here we also have Stop and Frisk. In Detroit since the Majority of people (83%) are African American and the neighborhoods where crimes are committed most are Majority African American a program like Stop and Frisk will get Guns off the Streets. This wouldnt be in anyway racist as Detroit is a Majority African American City. In NYC we have far greater diversity and Stop and Frisk is used in conjunction with COPSTAT to target the highest crime neighborhoods. The use of a Curfew and Stop and Frisk could slash the murder and shooting rate in Detroit in a Year. It is something to look at. Yes...in NYC Stop and Frisk is controversial.. but it produces results. It saves lives ...

If Detroit adopted our system of COPSTAT and applied forces according to the trends it shows Detroit could easily allocate scant resources to neighborhoods and produce immediate results... Just be aware... when we instituted COPSTAT we had to build new Jails for all the criminals it caught.

Quality of Life Crimes, Curfews for those under 21, Stop and Frisk and Centralized Reporting and tracking of problem areas are the best start to lowering the crime rate in Detroit.

They have nothing to lose... and everything to gain.

Respectfully, I seriously disagree with just about all that. We might as well have kept STRESS in place.

Crime happens when opportunity disappears .. thus the solution for Detroit is opportunity, not the Gestapo. Detroiters are never going to allow that to happen .. and there is a pretty good chance that New Yorkers will oust the candidate who supports it as well.
 
Respectfully, I seriously disagree with just about all that. We might as well have kept STRESS in place.

Crime happens when opportunity disappears .. thus the solution for Detroit is opportunity, not the Gestapo. Detroiters are never going to allow that to happen .. and there is a pretty good chance that New Yorkers will oust the candidate who supports it as well.

Well we certainly can disagree on that. Crime happens when people allow it to happen. If it takes a village to raise a child it also takes a village to be proactive in it''s defense against criminal incursions. The NYPD is not the Gestapo.. To use a Nazi reference like that BAC is ridiculous. NYC is just very proactive in how they go after criminals. You cant provide Opportunity if crime is high. Nobody will want to invest their money where a business will be robbed every night by roving gangs of thugs. No large corporations want to set up headquarters where their people will be mugged on the streets or their cars stolen. So how can you have opportunity when you cant provide safety?

With Murder, Arson, Robbery and Assault running rampant nobody will invest millions of dollars in developments until they can be assured that their investment is reasonably secure.

Do you want kids to be safe in Detroit? Have them off the streets at night. If they are not out there the chances of something happening to them decreases exponentially. If someone breaks the law... arrest them. Everything from Pan-handling to Murder. If criminals are allowed to get a foothold they never leave unless confronted with superior force and tactics.. The community must stop remaining silent and speak up to the police if they know something.

And the Arson... It's destroying good properties as well as the abandoned ones. My Fire Department was out there last year during the lead up to Devils night (Angels Nights) and we worked with the DFD ... these guys are on the verge of giving up. They have little functional equipment and have a workload that would swamp the FDNY! Get the Criminals off the streets and the arson has to slow down. Good people are losing their homes to it. I even saw a few weeks ago that the University Club was torched. Cass High School was burned (Old Building), The Eastown Theater and so many other places up in flames. And 200+ calls on Devils night.. Where does it end? Why is it allowed to happen? How do you get these problems under control without serious police intervention?

Something has to be done my friend... what should it be?
 
I've never been to Detroit but I think it's a great discussion you guys are having and very informative to read. I got my first real first hand account of Detroit from two guys this week at work who have long family roots in Detroit.

The one guy described the downtown core as doing very well but once exiting that everything is bad until you reach the City limits and the first suburbs. Would you say that is accurate? I've heard the urban farm idea thrown around. Is there any real possibility to that? If there is what do you think of the idea?
 
I've never been to Detroit but I think it's a great discussion you guys are having and very informative to read. I got my first real first hand account of Detroit from two guys this week at work who have long family roots in Detroit.

The one guy described the downtown core as doing very well but once exiting that everything is bad until you reach the City limits and the first suburbs. Would you say that is accurate? I've heard the urban farm idea thrown around. Is there any real possibility to that? If there is what do you think of the idea?

BAC and I are about as far apart as people can get in our politics. But when it comes to matters of common sense such as we are discussing we can discard partisan rhetoric and concentrate on having a meaningful discussion.

Others here should notice how we are discussing this.... I am enjoying it immensely.
 
Well we certainly can disagree on that. Crime happens when people allow it to happen. If it takes a village to raise a child it also takes a village to be proactive in it''s defense against criminal incursions. The NYPD is not the Gestapo.. To use a Nazi reference like that BAC is ridiculous. NYC is just very proactive in how they go after criminals. You cant provide Opportunity if crime is high. Nobody will want to invest their money where a business will be robbed every night by roving gangs of thugs. No large corporations want to set up headquarters where their people will be mugged on the streets or their cars stolen. So how can you have opportunity when you cant provide safety?

With Murder, Arson, Robbery and Assault running rampant nobody will invest millions of dollars in developments until they can be assured that their investment is reasonably secure.

Do you want kids to be safe in Detroit? Have them off the streets at night. If they are not out there the chances of something happening to them decreases exponentially. If someone breaks the law... arrest them. Everything from Pan-handling to Murder. If criminals are allowed to get a foothold they never leave unless confronted with superior force and tactics.. The community must stop remaining silent and speak up to the police if they know something.

And the Arson... It's destroying good properties as well as the abandoned ones. My Fire Department was out there last year during the lead up to Devils night (Angels Nights) and we worked with the DFD ... these guys are on the verge of giving up. They have little functional equipment and have a workload that would swamp the FDNY! Get the Criminals off the streets and the arson has to slow down. Good people are losing their homes to it. I even saw a few weeks ago that the University Club was torched. Cass High School was burned (Old Building), The Eastown Theater and so many other places up in flames. And 200+ calls on Devils night.. Where does it end? Why is it allowed to happen? How do you get these problems under control without serious police intervention?

Something has to be done my friend... what should it be?

I agree with you that something has to be done, but you should understand this first and foremost when considering options for Detroit. STRESS or anything remotely like it will never, ever, EVER be allowed to happen again in Detroit. It will NEVER be an option .. nor should it be EVER.

Conditions that led to the Algiers Motel Incident will never happen again in Detroit EVER.

With all due respect .. and with even more respect than that .. making victims out of innocent people can never be the answer and again, although you may not, people of color see NY's stop and frisk as Gestapo-like tactics .. and I agree.

Stop-and-Frisk Data

An analysis by the NYCLU revealed that innocent New Yorkers have been subjected to police stops and street interrogations more than 4 million times since 2002, and that black and Latino communities continue to be the overwhelming target of these tactics. Nearly nine out of 10 stopped-and-frisked New Yorkers have been completely innocent, according to the NYPD’s own reports:

In 2002, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 97,296 times.
80,176 were totally innocent (82 percent).

In 2003, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 160,851 times.
140,442 were totally innocent (87 percent).
77,704 were black (54 percent).
44,581 were Latino (31 percent).
17,623 were white (12 percent).
83,499 were aged 14-24 (55 percent).

In 2004, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 313,523 times.
278,933 were totally innocent (89 percent).
155,033 were black (55 percent).
89,937 were Latino (32 percent).
28,913 were white (10 percent).
152,196 were aged 14-24 (52 percent).

In 2005, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 398,191 times.
352,348 were totally innocent (89 percent).
196,570 were black (54 percent).
115,088 were Latino (32 percent).
40,713 were white (11 percent).
189,854 were aged 14-24 (51 percent).

In 2006, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 506,491 times.
457,163 were totally innocent (90 percent).
267,468 were black (53 percent).
147,862 were Latino (29 percent).
53,500 were white (11 percent).
247,691 were aged 14-24 (50 percent).

In 2007, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 472,096 times.
410,936 were totally innocent (87 percent).
243,766 were black (54 percent).
141,868 were Latino (31 percent).
52,887 were white (12 percent).
223,783 were aged 14-24 (48 percent).

In 2008, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 540,302 times.
474,387 were totally innocent (88 percent).
275,588 were black (53 percent).
168,475 were Latino (32 percent).
57,650 were white (11 percent).
263,408 were aged 14-24 (49 percent).

In 2009, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 581,168 times.
510,742 were totally innocent (88 percent).
310,611 were black (55 percent).
180,055 were Latino (32 percent).
53,601 were white (10 percent).
289,602 were aged 14-24 (50 percent).

In 2010, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 601,285 times.
518,849 were totally innocent (86 percent).
315,083 were black (54 percent).
189,326 were Latino (33 percent).
54,810 were white (9 percent).
295,902 were aged 14-24 (49 percent).

In 2011, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 685,724 times.
605,328 were totally innocent (88 percent).
350,743 were black (53 percent).
223,740 were Latino (34 percent).
61,805 were white (9 percent).
341,581 were aged 14-24 (51 percent).

In 2012, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 532,911 times
473,644 were totally innocent (89 percent).
284,229 were black (55 percent).
165,140 were Latino (32 percent).
50,366 were white (10 percent).
http://www.nyclu.org/content/stop-and-frisk-data

Those kind of statistics in Detroit and war will break out. In fact ..

New York's Stop-and-Frisk War Has Reached the Breaking Point
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/06/new-york-city-council-stop-and-frisk/66644/

Any thought that Bloomberg may have had about running for president he can forget about.

The problems of Detroit are multi-faceted and requires the buy-in of all involved. Detroit is just the tip of the iceberg to problems that are being experienced all over the country .. which is what happens when the federal government spends more money on war than the cities where people live.
 
The battle continued into the night .. and by around 10pm .. the cops saddled up and left the neighborhood. I have never been prouder of the people in my neighborhood and what I had just witnessed. The animosity there is deep and perhaps eternal.

I thought you were against guns BAC.
 
This is indicative of what Detroit has faced since whites left the city. I grew up there .. this is the culmination of a plan long in the making.

All of Detroit's assets are on sale today at thieves rates.

All that was Detroit is gone .. and a long and glorious history is dead.

So whites leave and one can presume that all that is left are non whites and the place falls apart.

Sounds like BAC Panther is saying that there is something wrong with non whites. Who am I to argue with JPPs resident race pimp?
 
What would REALLY help Detroit, both in terms of crime and in terms of city services, would be neighborhood consolidation. Because of the size and relative population density, it'd be better to take sparsely populated neighborhoods and relocate the residents into more densely populated ones. This would reduce the burden on city services, and make it easier for police to patrol. Additionally it would make tax collection easier.
 
What would REALLY help Detroit, both in terms of crime and in terms of city services, would be neighborhood consolidation. Because of the size and relative population density, it'd be better to take sparsely populated neighborhoods and relocate the residents into more densely populated ones. This would reduce the burden on city services, and make it easier for police to patrol. Additionally it would make tax collection easier.

Yes they should force the proles to live closer together. What could go wrong?
 
Thank you.

This is an issue so sad and personal for me that I'd probably need a therapist to talk about it.

I love what Detroit was .. no other place on earth I would have rather grown up.

the sad thing is, if you were growing up there today you would have a 25% chance of graduating high school.......
 
I thought you were against guns BAC.

I am .. sort of.

If the world was perfect I wouldn't have that confusion.

I still don't want to see them in the hands of youth, but as the right keeps pushing for armed conflict in this country, it mentally puts me in the same place that I was that night as a teenager.

If you called me a hypocrite on this issue, I would agree with you.
 
So whites leave and one can presume that all that is left are non whites and the place falls apart.

Sounds like BAC Panther is saying that there is something wrong with non whites. Who am I to argue with JPPs resident race pimp?


How can you be so damned stupid?
 
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