Are we winning War?

[Into the Night]

It looks like Trump is trying to provoke an attack on our land. He is all set up to declare emergency powers.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! It really must suck to be so paranoid, Sybil!

The talk about Iran's drones may be able to reach the West Coast is a license for a fake operation.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! A drone flies all the way from Iran to the Los Angeles??

Los Angeles is in far greater threat from DEMOCRATS than from Iran, Sybil!

Any idiot with a drone can trigger Trump's emergency takeover and stop the midterms.

 

[Into the Night]

Why, Trump can not even explain why we are doing this,

He already has, anchovies.

he went from ending Iran’s nuclear threat,

Which we did.

which he said he already did last year,

That's right, anchovies.

to regime change, to rescuing the protesting Iranians, to ending Iran’s regional threats,

All three, anchovies.

to whatever he said today, to half dozen other “explanations.”

And people are complaining on Trump’s ineptitude, not what one wants from leadership in a time of war

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You just can't STAND that Trump is winning!

 

[Into the Night]

Focus on responding to my comment. Forget about everything else and tell me if you agree with the president remarks? The one in my reply. We can move on from there. I'm getting sick of you lefty's that can't seem to focus, even a little.

Focus?? They HAVE to pivot away from the subject! They will do ANYTHING to avoid taking the blame. They will even kill over it!

 

[Tobytone]

Right. I agree w/ what MAGA was preaching just 3 weeks ago - until many became neocons overnight.

No - we should not be the world's policeman. That's not what our military is for.

I agree. I was waiting for Chives' reply, but he's clearly batshit crazy. He swallows the regime's lies over Iranian eyewitness accounts, our intel, and actual videos of regime thugs gunning down protesters in cold blood and mowing down teenagers with cars. He thinks the killings are all lies. I watched those clips and felt physically ill. Chives is probably a Holocaust denier too, so screw that crazy bastard for now.

On your point: yeah, I messed up and swapped one word in the quote. The real one says 'Benghazi,' not 'Iran,' and the president was Obama. Look it up. He decided it was in our interest to bomb Libya for 7 months, killing regime forces plus over 400 civilians. Never asked Congress, not day one, not after 60 days, never. Every libtard insisted he didn't need to, and the media tripped over themselves praising his 'decisiveness' and 'compassion.' He could do no wrong. When he messed up, they gave him a total pass, no stories, no outrage. He killed kids, janitors, moms, dads, and still missed the main target until a month after he quit bombing.

No imminent attack on America. Gaddafi posed zero direct threat to US security, that was undisputed fact, not opinion. Motivation? Pure humanitarian: stop Gaddafi's civilian killings and enforce UN Res 1973 (no-fly zone, civilian protection). Libya wasn't threatening us or allies. No ballistic missiles, no attack drones, nothing that could hit us or any base worldwide.

Obama had no exit plan, no timeline, and the media never asked. He was the Messiah, after all, Chris Matthews got tingles up his leg, remember?

Trump's strike? According to every previous president, against a serious, well-documented threat to us, our allies, and every base in the Middle East. Iran has been at war with us for nearly 50 years. They've killed thousands, maimed tens of thousands. They choke the Straits whenever they feel like it. They've spiked energy prices through the roof for years at a time. They just slaughtered over 30,000 of their own citizens in two days. They've tried to kill the president and many others in this and past administrations. Need more?

You should feel like a grade-A idiot right now, but I doubt you do. You'll just ignore every fact and trot out some brain-dead line about 'not being the world's policeman' or whatever.

Surprise everyone on JPP: admit you're wrong, say you were blinded by TDS and couldn't see reality. I'll hold my breath. Yeah, right, lol.

Classic libtard hypocrisy and or stupidity. Which one best describes you?

 

[Tobytone]

Focus?? They HAVE to pivot away from the subject! They will do ANYTHING to avoid taking the blame.

I was playing a little trick. Chives ran away before I got him, but Bartender took the bait. Look down, lol.

 

[BartenderElite]

I agree. I was waiting for Chives' reply, but he's clearly batshit crazy. He swallows the regime's lies over Iranian eyewitness accounts, our intel, and actual videos of regime thugs gunning down protesters in cold blood and mowing down teenagers with cars. He thinks the killings are all lies. I watched those clips and felt physically ill. Chives is probably a Holocaust denier too, so screw that crazy bastard for now.

On your point: yeah, I messed up and swapped one word in the quote. The real one says 'Benghazi,' not 'Iran,' and the president was Obama. Look it up. He decided it was in our interest to bomb Libya for 7 months, killing regime forces plus over 400 civilians. Never asked Congress, not day one, not after 60 days, never. Every libtard insisted he didn't need to, and the media tripped over themselves praising his 'decisiveness' and 'compassion.' He could do no wrong. When he messed up, they gave him a total pass, no stories, no outrage. He killed kids, janitors, moms, dads, and still missed the main target until a month after he quit bombing.

No imminent attack on America. Gaddafi posed zero direct threat to US security, that was undisputed fact, not opinion. Motivation? Pure humanitarian: stop Gaddafi's civilian killings and enforce UN Res 1973 (no-fly zone, civilian protection). Libya wasn't threatening us or allies. No ballistic missiles, no attack drones, nothing that could hit us or any base worldwide.

Obama had no exit plan, no timeline, and the media never asked. He was the Messiah, after all, Chris Matthews got tingles up his leg, remember?

Trump's strike? According to every previous president, against a serious, well-documented threat to us, our allies, and every base in the Middle East. Iran has been at war with us for nearly 50 years. They've killed thousands, maimed tens of thousands. They choke the Straits whenever they feel like it. They've spiked energy prices through the roof for years at a time. They just slaughtered over 30,000 of their own citizens in two days. They've tried to kill the president and many others in this and past administrations. Need more?

You should feel like a grade-A idiot right now, but I doubt you do. You'll just ignore every fact and trot out some brain-dead line about 'not being the world's policeman' or whatever.

Surprise everyone on JPP: admit you're wrong, say you were blinded by TDS and couldn't see reality. I'll hold my breath. Yeah, right, lol.

Classic libtard hypocrisy and or stupidity. Which one best describes you?

Unnecessary & ineffective whataboutism. I was against Obama's actions, too. And Bush's, and Clinton's, and so on.

For some funny reason, I don't feel like a grade-A idiot. I feel like I actually have principles, unlike some (clears throat). There have been lots of terrible regimes in history, and there are quite a few even today. It's not our job to "stop" them, unless there is an imminent threat to the homeland. We actually have real people in our military - sons, daughters, brothers, sisters. A CIC should be able to look any relative of these people in the eye & say he HAD to put them in harm's way to protect the country.

Oh, and we haven't even mentioned that it looks more likely that the regime will stay in power than not. How's that work for your POV here?

 

[archives]

Wow, you believe the reports of over 30,000 protesters being killed is a lie? Do you believe they kill protesters at all? I guess we have to start there. I'll admit, I didn't see that coming.

Number of protesters killed range from 7,000 to 30,000 (https://www.theguardian.com/global-...ll-disappeared-bodies-mass-burials-30000-dead), 53,000 Nigerians, 59,000 Sudanese, and undetermined numbers of citizens in Chad have died, are we going to go to war in those nations?

How is it in our national concern, and how does it affect the whole ME?

And if that was your reason for going to war it has failed, the Iranians aren’t in revolt and there has been no regime change, in fact, the new Supreme leader, the son, is reported to be more of a strict autocrat than the father

 

[tsuke11]

I just want to correct some misconceptions here.

1. Iran is a nation of 90 million people - They are a nation of 50-60 million persians who have been oppressing 30-40 million ethnic minorities (azeri, kurd, baluch). Its not a coincidence almost all of the air strikes have been located in border areas and persian areas.

2. Support for regime is high - All you see are rallies in tehran and other persian cities. The revolution never starts in the center. It always starts in the edges and works its way in. There are good reasons for this. Less security, Less counterintelligence, weaker power structures etc. The revolt will not come from the center it will come from border areas.

3. Revolutions dont have to spread towards the entire country - Theres this misconception that the kurds will lead a revolution to liberate the entire Iran. That doesnt necessarily have to happen. They can just liberate their areas and say they are happy and stop. Same goes for the Azeris and the Baluchs.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I just want to correct some misconceptions here.

1. Iran is a nation of 90 million people - They are a nation of 50-60 million persians who have been oppressing 30-40 million ethnic minorities (azeri, kurd, baluch). Its not a coincidence almost all of the air strikes have been located in border areas and persian areas.

2. Support for regime is high - All you see are rallies in tehran and other persian cities. The revolution never starts in the center. It always starts in the edges and works its way in. There are good reasons for this. Less security, Less counterintelligence, weaker power structures etc. The revolt will not come from the center it will come from border areas.

3. Revolutions dont have to spread towards the entire country - Theres this misconception that the kurds will lead a revolution to liberate the entire Iran. That doesnt necessarily have to happen. They can just liberate their areas and say they are happy and stop. Same goes for the Azeris and the Baluchs.

The most welcome place Jews have found in the region other than the Zionist Colony is Iran.

That takes care of #1.

I cant be bothered further.

 

[Jarod]

The exit strategy is simple, we just stop dropping bombs on them. When will that be? Either when we get tired of doing it or they get tired of us doing it. If they never do then I guess it's over when no one is left moving. If the govt of iran isn't willing to stop their own people from being killed why should we?

Then you have left a few million insurgents who desperately hate America and will keep the straights of Hormuz closed for decades.

 

[Tobytone]

Unnecessary & ineffective whataboutism. I was against Obama's actions, too. And Bush's, and Clinton's, and so on.

For some funny reason, I don't feel like a grade-A idiot. I feel like I actually have principles, unlike some (clears throat). There have been lots of terrible regimes in history, and there are quite a few even today. It's not our job to "stop" them, unless there is an imminent threat to the homeland. We actually have real people in our military - sons, daughters, brothers, sisters. A CIC should be able to look any relative of these people in the eye & say he HAD to put them in harm's way to protect the country.

Oh, and we haven't even mentioned that it looks more likely that the regime will stay in power than not. How's that work for your POV here?

First, I don't believe you. Sure, maybe in your pathetic naive little brain you thought it was yucky. But I highly doubt you opposed Obama publicly in any real way. Your 'opposition' was probably something like 'we shouldn't kill people who aren't shooting at us'. Really deep. You're likely dumb enough to think if we disbanded our military and left everyone alone, they'd leave us alone too, or even be nice to us.

The problem with your so-called principles? They get people killed. They're not principles; you're just naive and stupid. You should have felt like a moron, because you are. Not acting decisively like Trump did would have meant tens if not hundreds of thousands more innocents dead. I already gave you plenty of reasons why action was necessary.

You pretend to be enlightened. You're just a much dumber female Chamberlain. Imagine if that dipshit had stayed in power longer? You can't even picture it, because you don't think. All you have is feelings. Try actual thinking for once. Maybe wait a week after the bleeding stops, I don't know. What I do know: you can't think clearly right now, and it sounds like you never have.

Look at your last two sentences. You're so unbelievably dumb you think after 11 days it looks like we've failed, lol. You've swallowed what is obvious propaganda already. I get it, you're a drone, a parrot. You can't fathom the NYT, Rachel Maddow, or any CNN loser spreading enemy talking points. They're truth seekers, right? Only the right spreads lies like 'America is winning.'

I'm not picking on you. I'm using your stupidity to hammer home the point for every libtard. When I address you, I'm addressing the whole hive. You're all the same person.

The craziest part about this Iran mess? If you weren't so historically illiterate, you'd see your exact mindset helped install the regime in 1979. Socialists were huge players in the Iranian Revolution. Leaders like the ones you worship today promised the economically devastated people, hit hard by inflation, unemployment, far worse than Carter-era America. They were selling free healthcare, housing, collective ownership, ending wealthy resource-hoarding, stopping imperialism, the whole package including freedom to believe whatever you want.

Essentially Mamdani and AOC teamed up with Islamists and sold a shiny new dawn of equality. A fresh path, nothing like the Soviet model, things would be great. In under two years, every socialist and communist was dead, tortured, or imprisoned, unless they hid who they were. Survivors lived like animals for the next 45 years. You wouldn't be typing this dumb shit now. You'd keep your mouth shut unless spoken to, you'd put out when and how I demanded, and you'd cover your face to avoid being stoned. Don't believe it? Learn some history. Maybe then you wouldn't prove how stupid you are every single day.

 

[Tobytone]

Number of protesters killed range from 7,000 to 30,000 (https://www.theguardian.com/global-...ll-disappeared-bodies-mass-burials-30000-dead), 53,000 Nigerians, 59,000 Sudanese, and undetermined numbers of citizens in Chad have died, are we going to go to war in those nations?

How is it in our national concern, and how does it affect the whole ME?

And if that was your reason for going to war it has failed, the Iranians aren’t in revolt and there has been no regime change, in fact, the new Supreme leader, the son, is reported to be more of a strict autocrat than the father

You need to read my response to bartender. That was Obama's reasoning, it wasn't Iran, it was Libya. I explained the one word I changed was changing Benghazi to Iran. I think you fell for the same trick before. Not sure, you're all the same. Also, you'll find some of the actual reasons we are doing what we're doing now. Everything I've said in two long posts to Bartender apply to you and every libtard. Again, you're all exactly the same idiot. Read a book, learn something, you're making a fool of yourself, just like every other moron here.