Are the Bible Thumpers Losing Their Grip on Our Politics?

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poet said:
Non sequitur. I have no idea what you mean by that. I mean, it makes no sense. Personally involved? Speak about what? No say in the matter??????????? You talk like a demented person. I never understand you...and I understand English, quite well.
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it isn't that complicated.....if blacks can't be racist because it doesn't impact me personally, how can Al Sharpton complain about white racism that doesn't impact him personally......how can anyone complain about Paula Dean being racist when NO ONE was personally impacted?......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
it isn't that complicated.....if blacks can't be racist because it doesn't impact me personally, how can Al Sharpton complain about white racism that doesn't impact him personally......how can anyone complain about Paula Dean being racist when NO ONE was personally impacted?......
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Excuse me? But are you able to detect hyperbole or not. I was being hyperbolic, when I said that blacks cannot be racist. Anyone can be racist, and most people exhibit some form of it to a degree. The challenge is to minimize your emotion-backed demands that things meet your criteria, and allow people the space to be who they are. Live and let live, in other words. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and any other so-called "black leaders", for that matter can complain about white racism because it is directed both on a group basis, as well as an individual basis, routinely, daily, without fail, somewhere. What does it mean to be a "black leader"? I guess the same that it means to be a "white Republican Congressman", for instance....someone who will fight for and defend the views of his or her constituents (in an "ideal world", but of course, as we know, not in "reality", as we have seen)....Sharpton and Jackson representing their constituents, "the black community", but, of course, not exclusively, as Republican Congressmen seem to do.
How can anyone complain about Paula Deen being racist, when no one was personally impacted? By whose word? Yours? Have you queried hundreds or thousands of people, to get their reaction and to know "first hand", if and how they were impacted or not???????????? Of course not. But that didn't stop you from leveling an illogical fallacy, suggesting that no one could possibly be affected by Paula Deen using the worst racial pejorative in the English lexicon (according to some, including me), and further, that its' use doesn't make her a racist, when it is one of the "hallmarks" of a racist. I don't give a fuck if she said it yesterday, or 20 years ago...the fact that she built her empire, deluding people into thinking she was wholesome as "apple pie" or "butter tasting biscuits", when in fact, she is a dyed-in-the-wool racist, probably looking down on black people as subservient and less than for most her life, and then going on Oprah, who delivered her the "Oprah Seal Of Approval", deluded as she obviously was, which in turn, guaranteed her fame and fortune, only to have it crashing down upon her head, because she was too stupid or self-centered to do "damage control" early on. I have no sympathy...and if Facebook is any barometer....she is "toast".
 
poet said:
We're no more or less tolerant than the next guy or gal. I have no idea what you're trying to say, using tolerance as a litmus test? For what?
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But the left is supposed to be the most tolerant beings on the planet, and yet they throw around the terms I listed plus more. So tell me how tolerant you are again
 
patriot66 said:
But the left is supposed to be the most tolerant beings on the planet, and yet they throw around the terms I listed plus more. So tell me how tolerant you are again
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Who said we were tolerant? And what is that supposed to mean? That we don't have a moral compass, and are not able to detect bs, racism, bigotry, and hypocrisy from miles away? Ask yourself how tolerant are you , before asking me.
 
The Dude said:
Is it hypocritical to call someone having an abortion a murderer if you had one?
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This is the last time I will say this God had already decided the fate of my child, there was no chance of life outside the womb, what they called it mattered not since we did not do it to end a life. You sir are an intolerable idiot!
 
patriot66 said:
This is the last time I will say this God had already decided the fate of my child, there was no chance of life outside the womb, what they called it mattered not since we did not do it to end a life. You sir are an intolerable idiot!
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Do you call woman murderers who had abortions?
 
poet said:
Excuse me? But are you able to detect hyperbole or not. I was being hyperbolic, when I said that blacks cannot be racist. Anyone can be racist, and most people exhibit some form of it to a degree. The challenge is to minimize your emotion-backed demands that things meet your criteria, and allow people the space to be who they are. Live and let live, in other words. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and any other so-called "black leaders", for that matter can complain about white racism because it is directed both on a group basis, as well as an individual basis, routinely, daily, without fail, somewhere. What does it mean to be a "black leader"? I guess the same that it means to be a "white Republican Congressman", for instance....someone who will fight for and defend the views of his or her constituents (in an "ideal world", but of course, as we know, not in "reality", as we have seen)....Sharpton and Jackson representing their constituents, "the black community", but, of course, not exclusively, as Republican Congressmen seem to do.
How can anyone complain about Paula Deen being racist, when no one was personally impacted? By whose word? Yours? Have you queried hundreds or thousands of people, to get their reaction and to know "first hand", if and how they were impacted or not???????????? Of course not. But that didn't stop you from leveling an illogical fallacy, suggesting that no one could possibly be affected by Paula Deen using the worst racial pejorative in the English lexicon (according to some, including me), and further, that its' use doesn't make her a racist, when it is one of the "hallmarks" of a racist. I don't give a fuck if she said it yesterday, or 20 years ago...the fact that she built her empire, deluding people into thinking she was wholesome as "apple pie" or "butter tasting biscuits", when in fact, she is a dyed-in-the-wool racist, probably looking down on black people as subservient and less than for most her life, and then going on Oprah, who delivered her the "Oprah Seal Of Approval", deluded as she obviously was, which in turn, guaranteed her fame and fortune, only to have it crashing down upon her head, because she was too stupid or self-centered to do "damage control" early on. I have no sympathy...and if Facebook is any barometer....she is "toast".
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from the deposition, she's been accused of hearing her brother tell a racist joke.....did this somehow have a personal impact on someone?......if a black person is not racist because it has no personal impact on me, then she cannot be racist because her hearing something would have no impact on anyone but her......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
from the deposition, she's been accused of hearing her brother tell a racist joke.....did this somehow have a personal impact on someone?......if a black person is not racist because it has no personal impact on me, then she cannot be racist because her hearing something would have no impact on anyone but her......
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Ah, but she willfully admitted to using the n-word, and suggested a traditional Antebellum wedding , with slave attendants in waiting. And again you have twisted my words. You've presented yet another illogical fallacy.
Affirming the consequent
Existential fallacy
Affirmative conclusion from a negative premise

take your pick.
 
I don't think anyone should abandon their religious values. However, I do beloved that we ALL should accept the notion that we are a free society. And that the way one person views religion is every bit as valid as another's.

Freedom of religion does not mean "Freedom to worship as I do".

Every one of us are simply trying to get through this life as best we can. Some people rely very hard on doctrine, some people reject doctrine altogether. It really doesn't matter to me.

I do happen to think that Fundamentalism is dangerous... in any religion. Because if your surroundings go to shit, it's real....REAL easy to blame it on "the other guy".

Take the current divide of Islam vs. Christianity as an example. Fundamentalist Islam flies in the face of Fundamentalist Christianity. Fundie Islam says that Mohammad is the Lord's greatest prophet. Fundamentalist Christianity says that Christ is....because he is the son of God.

And yes, there is horrific scripture on both counts as to how to deal with unbelievers. The difference is cultural. In America, we have religious freedom as fundamental right. In Islamic countries, they don't. Oh....we can hang signs up that "God hates fags" or whatever....but in truth? There's nothing that we can do about it. It is entirely between God and the individual.

In the Islamic arena however, homosexuality is a license to stone a person to death.

This is why we need to abandon fundamentalism in our own faith. Let God mete out the punishment, let us love our brethren.
 
poet said:
Excuse me? But are you able to detect hyperbole or not. I was being hyperbolic, when I said that blacks cannot be racist. Anyone can be racist, and most people exhibit some form of it to a degree. The challenge is to minimize your emotion-backed demands that things meet your criteria, and allow people the space to be who they are. Live and let live, in other words. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and any other so-called "black leaders", for that matter can complain about white racism because it is directed both on a group basis, as well as an individual basis, routinely, daily, without fail, somewhere. What does it mean to be a "black leader"? I guess the same that it means to be a "white Republican Congressman", for instance....someone who will fight for and defend the views of his or her constituents (in an "ideal world", but of course, as we know, not in "reality", as we have seen)....Sharpton and Jackson representing their constituents, "the black community", but, of course, not exclusively, as Republican Congressmen seem to do.
How can anyone complain about Paula Deen being racist, when no one was personally impacted? By whose word? Yours? Have you queried hundreds or thousands of people, to get their reaction and to know "first hand", if and how they were impacted or not???????????? Of course not. But that didn't stop you from leveling an illogical fallacy, suggesting that no one could possibly be affected by Paula Deen using the worst racial pejorative in the English lexicon (according to some, including me), and further, that its' use doesn't make her a racist, when it is one of the "hallmarks" of a racist. I don't give a fuck if she said it yesterday, or 20 years ago...the fact that she built her empire, deluding people into thinking she was wholesome as "apple pie" or "butter tasting biscuits", when in fact, she is a dyed-in-the-wool racist, probably looking down on black people as subservient and less than for most her life, and then going on Oprah, who delivered her the "Oprah Seal Of Approval", deluded as she obviously was, which in turn, guaranteed her fame and fortune, only to have it crashing down upon her head, because she was too stupid or self-centered to do "damage control" early on. I have no sympathy...and if Facebook is any barometer....she is "toast".
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Poet said:
ERP-DERP; I was using Poetic License - Derp Derp
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poet said:
Ah, but she willfully admitted to using the n-word, and suggested a traditional Antebellum wedding , with slave attendants in waiting. And again you have twisted my words. You've presented yet another illogical fallacy.
Affirming the consequent
Existential fallacy
Affirmative conclusion from a negative premise

take your pick.
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I really dont care about this whole thing, I never watched her, and to my mind she should have been fired long ago for wearing those fucking pigtails. Another 60 yo white southern moron is racist, news at 11. What a shock. But yeah, that slave wedding, holy shit. That one I couldn't get over. That was 2007 btw.

She's done. No one will ever touch her. But she got away with those pigtails for years. It just goes to show how lightly crimes against fashion, and really when talking about PIG TAILS, against common sense itself, are taken.
 
Darla said:
I really dont care about this whole thing, I never watched her, and to my mind she should have been fired long ago for wearing those fucking pigtails. Another 60 yo white southern moron is racist, news at 11. What a shock. But yeah, that slave wedding, holy shit. That one I couldn't get over. That was 2007 btw.

She's done. No one will ever touch her. But she got away with those pigtails for years. It just goes to show how lightly crimes against fashion, and really when talking about PIG TAILS, against common sense itself, are taken.
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Darla you fashionista you!
Not sure if you have spent enough time in the Deep South, but there are enough fat woman in spandex down here to make you never want to come back.
 
poet said:
Ah, but she willfully admitted to using the n-word, and suggested a traditional Antebellum wedding , with slave attendants in waiting.
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did she?.....in the deposition she stated she didn't specifically remember using the n-word, but admitted she might have in discussing with her husband the time she was held at gunpoint during a bank robbery.....and from what I've read she proposed a menu from that time period but stated nothing about slave attendants......and unlike you, I've merely turned your own words back at you, while you have manufactured hers.....
 
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