Are Confederate soldiers considered US vets?

Buckly J. Ewer said:
They were all traitors to the United States of America...
That is my nation ...so they were our enemies, in no uncertain terms.
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Were they ever convicted of treason in a court of law?

In fact .. did the confederacy ever get it's day in court after the military accused them of treason?
 
noise said:
WTF are you babbling about? It's a core issue of how the US gov't views Confederate soldiers.
Nothing to do w/Trump

( the links above are edited. The first goes more into the C flag and the 2nd then goes into opinion.
the sources say the same about the law)
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He's turned sub-Deshian!
 
noise said:
The Truth:

It’s true that Union and Confederate soldiers are considered U.S. veterans under federal law, and that they would be entitled to the same benefits as Union soldiers today.

These claims went viral on social media after the Confederate flag was removed from the South Carolina Capitol grounds in July 2015. The state legislature voted to remove the flag after a self-described white supremacist murdered nine black churchgoers there.

That inspired posts on social media sites that claimed Confederate and Union veterans were considered equals under federal law, and that they are entitled to the same protections and benefits.

It’s true that a federal law passed in 1958 listed the spouses and children of all Civil War veterans — Confederate and Union — as eligible for federal pensions:

Whenever there is no surviving spouse entitled to pension under section 1532 of this title, the Secretary shall pay to the children of each Civil War veteran who met the service requirements of section 1532 of this title a pension at the monthly rate of $73.13 for one child, plus $8.13 for each additional child, with the total amount equally divided.

It’s also true that federal law (formerly Public Law 810) makes Confederate soldiers eligible for burial in national cemeteries and for taxpayer-funded headstones, just like Union soldiers:

The Secretary shall furnish, when requested, an appropriate memorial headstone or marker for the purpose of commemorating an eligible individual whose remains are unavailable. Such a headstone or marker shall be furnished for placement in a national cemetery area reserved for that purpose under section 2403 of this title, a veterans’ cemetery owned by a State, or, in the case of a veteran, in a State, local, or private cemetery.

The last known Civil War veteran died in 1956, and the last known widow of a Civil War veteran died in 2003 at age 93. But there were surprisingly two children of Civil War veterans who were still receiving benefits in 2012, U.S. News reports:

In the 19th and early 20th centuries, only Union soldiers were eligible for military benefits. It wasn’t until the 1930s that confederate soldiers began receiving pensions from the federal government. Prior to that, confederate soldiers could apply for benefits through the state they resided in.

The groundwork for reconciliation, however, was laid decades before Confederate soldiers and family members became available for federal benefits.
https://www.truthorfiction.com/confederate-soldiers-are-considered-u-s-veterans-under-federal-law/
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In a word...

NO.

Anyone who fought for the Confederacy is a soldier of the CONFEDERATE States of America
 
God Emperor said:
they keep repeating the lie that slaves was the only reason the south resisted

they ignore the fact that our great republic was born of rebelllion against oppression and tyranny
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One need look no further than four posts above yours - post #32 - for proof you're claim is just more diversionary bullshit.

Thing very clearly states that, although it was a SIGNIFICANT reason for the conflict, slavery was NOT the only reason.
 
Thing1 said:
You don't know "what happened" to me?

When was I ever pro-confederacy & supportive of slavery?
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You just don't seem to understand that once you go down that road there is no turning back. Those anti-fascist​ arseholes will never stop at a few statues ffs. We had the same thing here with a small statue of Cecil Rhodes at Oxford University, surprisingly they stood up to the protestors. Helped no doubt by the fact that several large donors threatened to withdraw financial support.
 
Corazón said:
You just don't seem to understand that once you go down that road there is no turning back. Those anti-fascist​ arseholes will never stop at a few statues ffs. We had the same thing here with a small statue of Cecil Rhodes at Oxford University, surprisingly they stood up to the protestors. Helped no doubt by the fact that several large donors threatened to withdraw financial support.
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It's not that slippery of a slope for me. Lee may have been a fine fellow for his time, but he fought - hard - to help preserve slavery. The arguments for keeping his statue up (we're erasing history!) are weak. His statue doesn't personally offend me, but I don't have any ancestors who were slaves. From everything I've read and seen, slavery sucked. In a big, big way.

So, too bad. You fight for slavery, and lose, and no statue for you.
 
Thing1 said:
It's not that slippery of a slope for me. Lee may have been a fine fellow for his time, but he fought - hard - to help preserve slavery. The arguments for keeping his statue up (we're erasing history!) are weak. His statue doesn't personally offend me, but I don't have any ancestors who were slaves. From everything I've read and seen, slavery sucked. In a big, big way.

So, too bad. You fight for slavery, and lose, and no statue for you.
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That whole "erasing our history" nonsense is just another desperate diversion by hate filled neo-Nazis.

I would venture there are DOZENS - HUNDREDS of books detailing Lee's life available at any public library.

Google Robert E Lee and you get 238 MILLION HITS.

Strange how the same folks who are so wrong about the reasons WHY the civil war was fought, are so very worried about historical accuracy all of a sudden.
 
God Emperor said:
i call BS

i bet u have been predicting Trump will fail for over a year now and saying a new low is being reached about every week amirite?
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We're not predicting he WILL fail... he's already failed. He just doesn't have the grace to go away with the one shred of dignity he has left.
 
philly rabbit said:
This is bullshit.
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No, it is not.

"Congress demanded Lee’s arrest, trial and execution. President Andrew Johnson, on his political honeymoon, was in favor of it. There was widespread support. But General Grant was enraged. He had given his word. It was his name on the parole: put down your arms, go home and fight no more. We will not harm you. Robert E. Lee had done just that. His parole had not been violated.

Grant insisted that he was not a politician, and admitted that President Johnson and Congress could do as they liked. But he added that the “parole” came under military law, and that he, as General of the Army, had pledged his word, and he aimed to keep it. He stressed that General Lee had scrupulously kept his word as well.

Then Grant quietly said that if charges were pressed, he would feel compelled to resign as General of the Army. His own sense of honor would be violated. This was a blow to the new President. Ulysses S. Grant was the most famous man in the country, and perhaps the most highly regarded. Johnson, who would face many problems and crises during his tumultuous administration, could not afford to lose the support and good will of the popular General. It was also not a battle he chose to fight.

The matter of a trial for Robert E. Lee was left to lie and eventually die. No further discussion of arresting and possibly executing General Lee was pressed. If Lee ever knew that Grant had put his personal prestige and honor on the line for him, it is unknown."

https://featherfoster.wordpress.com/2014/05/28/general-grant-saves-general-lee/
 
christiefan915 said:
No, it is not.

"Congress demanded Lee’s arrest, trial and execution. President Andrew Johnson, on his political honeymoon, was in favor of it. There was widespread support. But General Grant was enraged. He had given his word. It was his name on the parole: put down your arms, go home and fight no more. We will not harm you. Robert E. Lee had done just that. His parole had not been violated.

Grant insisted that he was not a politician, and admitted that President Johnson and Congress could do as they liked. But he added that the “parole” came under military law, and that he, as General of the Army, had pledged his word, and he aimed to keep it. He stressed that General Lee had scrupulously kept his word as well.

Then Grant quietly said that if charges were pressed, he would feel compelled to resign as General of the Army. His own sense of honor would be violated. This was a blow to the new President. Ulysses S. Grant was the most famous man in the country, and perhaps the most highly regarded. Johnson, who would face many problems and crises during his tumultuous administration, could not afford to lose the support and good will of the popular General. It was also not a battle he chose to fight.

The matter of a trial for Robert E. Lee was left to lie and eventually die. No further discussion of arresting and possibly executing General Lee was pressed. If Lee ever knew that Grant had put his personal prestige and honor on the line for him, it is unknown."

https://featherfoster.wordpress.com/2014/05/28/general-grant-saves-general-lee/
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Thank you Christie for helping clear that up.
Lee was a traitor and a confirmed white supremacist to his dying day.
Without Grant's insistence on honouring his word and his magnanimous reprieve to his mortal enemy, Lee would, no doubt, have hung for treason.
 
Buckly J. Ewer said:
The iron-clad case had been made that he was a traitor and a military enemy to our nation, to the United States of America.
Only Grant's magnanimous reprieve saved Lee's traitorous ass from the gallows.
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So he never went to trial, there was no conviction, nor was he found guilty of anything; ergo: you have nothing. :good4u:
 
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