Are conditions on pretrial release unconstitutional?

[Flash]

habeus corpus.

Not one of the Bill of Rights...

"United States law affords persons the right to petition the federal courts for a writ of habeas corpus. Individual states also afford persons the ability to petition their own state court systems for habeas corpus pursuant to their respective constitutions and laws when held or sentenced by state authorities

 

[Flash]

Look, I know you don't like facts, you exist on party propaganda and march in lockstep to the Reich media - but..

There are 23 million invalid registrations in the 50 states (it's not 57, Barry is confused). The party spends billions of dollars to ensure that the dead and those who have moved remain on registration rolls. (yes, I can easily cite it)

Why does the party not want clear voter registration? Can you take a guess?

Given that mail in ballots in Pennsylvania require no signature check or address verification under the "no fault" voting system that the state supreme court instituted, is there an opportunity for invalid votes from millions of dead voters (or those who have moved?)

I know, facts are inconvenient. You have your party to support and protect.

In other words, you just repeat the accusations made by Trump's supporters (who have now recanted many of those claims) but made no effort to verify their validity. You just believe what you are told. I don't have a party

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

Not one of the Bill of Rights...

"United States law affords persons the right to petition the federal courts for a writ of habeas corpus. Individual states also afford persons the ability to petition their own state court systems for habeas corpus pursuant to their respective constitutions and laws when held or sentenced by state authorities

it is procedural fairness though, and i named it.

fuck fairness to the state. nobody goes to jail if the states rights are trampled upon.

rights are for people. not abstractions.

I can't believe good libertarians repeat these nazi aberrations in legal bullshittery.

 

[QP!]

Where in the Constitution does it say the state has a right to a fair trial?

You are not asking the correct question.


The State has an obligation to ensure a fair trial, as an unfair trial, is reason to have a guilty verdict thrown out by Appellate courts.

As you are pointing out, the defendant has a right to a fair trial but the defendants lawyer not only has no obligation to make sure the trial is fair, it is a great back up plan for the defense to ensure it is not fair, so if they win their client gets off, and if they lose, their client can have the verdict thrown out on appeal.


What does that mean in real life?

Take the trial of Walt Nata in Judge Cannons court where Jack Smith is demanding a Garcia Hearing, to determine if Walt Nada's lawyer has a conflict of interest that could harm the defense of Nada.

No prosecutor necessarily cares if an accused is getting poor and inadequate legal advice except for the fact, that if the person is found guilty, and appeals on the basis of 'Inadequate legal advice', that appellate Court hearing will ask the prosecutor 'was there a potential deal on the table for this convicted person', and if the prosecutor says 'yes', and then they ask the defense lawyer 'did you ever let your client know there was a potential deal for them to consider' and they say 'no', that can and does get convictions vacated. It is a back door way for a defense lawyer to get his client off, in a case he lost.

So that is why the Prosecutor forces the Garcia hearing, to PROTECT the defendant and the Fair Trial. In the Garcia Hearing the prosecutor will say in front of the defendant everything that is available to him, so he cannot say he does not know, and then if he still wants to stay with his current lawyer he can.


So YES the State is OBLIGATED to ENSURE a fair trial, as an unfair trial is reason to vacate a guilty verdict on appeal and EVERY defense lawyer knows that and it would become a checkmate tactic in ALL trials.

 

[QP!]

it is procedural fairness though, and i named it.

fuck fairness to the state. nobody goes to jail if the states rights are trampled upon.

rights are for people. not abstractions.

I can't believe good libertarians repeat these nazi aberrations in legal bullshittery.

But it is the State, or Prosecution who is held responsible for ensuring the 'Fair Trial' and not the defense.

The State has an obligation as steward of the process to ensure the Trial is fair, or any guilty verdict can and will be vacated.

 

[Uncensored2008]

In other words, you just repeat the accusations made by Trump's supporters (who have now recanted many of those claims) but made no effort to verify their validity. You just believe what you are told. I don't have a party

Dodge those facts, party is just too important to let reality interfere with.

Who has recanted what? Cite it!

I said nothing of the Diebold (reminding you of your claims in 2004) machines. I specified proxy voting - the ACTUAL method your party uses to corrupt democracy by cheating in elections.

Notice how you ducked the question of WHY your party has spent over a billion dollars in legal costs to BLOCK clean up efforts of voter rolls? There is only ONE reason that you democrats fight to keep dead people on voter rolls.

Lawsuit: Detroit has thousands of dead people on voter lists (freep.com)
Democrats like Hillary fight cleaning up voter rolls to remove dead or departed persons | GOPUSA
You Just Can't Make This Up: Democrats Argue Removing Dead People from Voter Rolls Is "Voter Suppression" (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft
reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-purge-idUSKBN1J71QQ

OH, and about Diebold aka Dominion...

Little trip down memory lane.


{Mr. RUBIN: I worked as an election judge and I spent a whole day with these machines. At the end of the day I collected the memory cards out of them and held them all in my hand and fed them into the accumulator machine. That's how the Diebold system works. You put all the memory cards into one machine and it counts the votes off of all of them and totals them.It would have been extremely easy for me to have another memory card, these are very small cards, up my sleeve and stick it in the machine for five seconds. And that's all I would have to do to infect the entire precinct and compromise that election.}

INSURRECTION - ELECTION DENIER - PUT HIM IN PRISON FOR LIFE
Security Risk Seen in Electronic Voting Machines : NPR

Sure funny how different it all works when democrats are involved. With justice for none, rights for some - the motto of your party. Have you ever seen a civil right you didn't want to crush?

 

[Uncensored2008]

it is procedural fairness though, and i named it.

fuck fairness to the state. nobody goes to jail if the states rights are trampled upon.

rights are for people. not abstractions.

I can't believe good libertarians repeat these nazi aberrations in legal bullshittery.

No libertarian supports putting people in prison for speech they don't like.

I also note that when democrats pretend to be independents or libertarians, is shows that they are embarrassed at supporting evil, that is being democrats.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

No libertarian supports putting people in prison for speech they don't like.

I also note that when democrats pretend to be independents or libertarians, is shows that they are embarrassed at supporting evil, that is being democrats.

we just had a couple libertarians which shall go unnnamed who talked about the states rights to a fair trial and made me puke in my bowling shoes.

 

[Flash]

Who has recanted what? Cite it!

Fox agreed to air on several programs that is had no evidence any of the claims made about Dominion had any truth (before it lost a $billion defamation suit against the company).

Rudy G. just admitted before the defamation suit against him by the two women he claimed were involved in illegal vote counts in Atlanta that it was all false.

After studying all counties studies found that no county had more votes than registered voters despite MAGA claims to the contrary.

Despite claims about "dead" voters Tucker Carlson and Mark Meadows could find only a handful of such voters--most of whom voted early and died before election day; most others simply had similar names.
Carlson denounced Trump because his campaign could not supply any creditable list of dead voters.

The Detroit Free Press story says there are thousands of dead people on voter registration lists but no evidence any of them tried to vote.

Be a man and admit your party lost. Blaming it on a fraudulent election is just falling for the MAGA method of attracting supporters--lies and hate.

 

[Flash]

it is procedural fairness though, and i named it.

fuck fairness to the state. nobody goes to jail if the states rights are trampled upon.

rights are for people. not abstractions.

I can't believe good libertarians repeat these nazi aberrations in legal bullshittery.

It has nothing to do with fairness to the state but individuals who were denied the write of habeas corpus who appeal.

 

[Uncensored2008]

we just had a couple libertarians which shall go unnnamed who talked about the states rights to a fair trial and made me puke in my bowling shoes.

I was in that discussion. And this libertarian was on the other side.

The state has an overwhelming advantage in any trial. Talk of ensuring fairness to party judges is laughable.

I believe that other than myself, Damocles was the only actual libertarian in that discussion.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Fox agreed to air on several programs that is had no evidence any of the claims made about Dominion had any truth (before it lost a $billion defamation suit against the company).

So?

What does that have to do with invalid registration rolls and proxy voting?

Rudy G. just admitted before the defamation suit against him by the two women he claimed were involved in illegal vote counts in Atlanta that it was all false.

After studying all counties studies found that no county had more votes than registered voters despite MAGA claims to the contrary.

So?

What does that have to do with invalid registration rolls and proxy voting?

Despite claims about "dead" voters Tucker Carlson and Mark Meadows could find only a handful of such voters--most of whom voted early and died before election day; most others simply had similar names.
Carlson denounced Trump because his campaign could not supply any creditable list of dead voters.

Don't we have secret ballots in America? How would anyone know who voted for what?

Isn't that the whole point of election fraud through proxy voting? Impossible to prove?

But not impossible to stop. Clearing voter registration stops it dead in its tracks. Just look at who is fighting against legitimate voter registration rolls and you know who is engaged in voter fraud.

The Detroit Free Press story says there are thousands of dead people on voter registration lists but no evidence any of them tried to vote.

Be a man and admit your party lost. Blaming it on a fraudulent election is just falling for the MAGA method of attracting supporters--lies and hate.

The point is the 23 million invalid voter registrations in America.

Be a man and admit that your party engages in massive voter fraud.

 

[Flash]

So?

What does that have to do with invalid registration rolls and proxy voting?

So?

What does that have to do with invalid registration rolls and proxy voting?

Don't we have secret ballots in America? How would anyone know who voted for what?

Isn't that the whole point of election fraud through proxy voting? Impossible to prove?

But not impossible to stop. Clearing voter registration stops it dead in its tracks. Just look at who is fighting against legitimate voter registration rolls and you know who is engaged in voter fraud.

The point is the 23 million invalid voter registrations in America.

Be a man and admit that your party engages in massive voter fraud.

None of your claims are evidence of fraud--just messed up outdated voter rolls.

 

[Uncensored2008]

None of your claims are evidence of fraud--just messed up outdated voter rolls.

And we finally get to the democrat response to every issue;