Apparently, THIS is who we are now!

Obama Orders Assassination of an American Citizen



For the first time in history, an American president has officially ordered the assassination of a US citizen.
President Barack Obama has approved the "targeted killing" of Anwar al-Awlaki, a US-born Muslim cleric who is reported to be in hiding in Yemen. No substantial evidence has been brought to bear against Awlaki, 38, who is accused of terrorism, and he will be afforded no legal recourse against the death sentence.
Word of Obama's decision has been intentionally leaked by multiple intelligence officials to various media sources. Reuters and the Wall Street Journal published news articles on the story on Tuesday, and these were confirmed by stories in the Washington Post and New York Times on Wednesday.
The killing of citizens declared by the executive branch to be "terrorists" was first announced as state policy by Obama's director of national intelligence, Dennis C. Blair, in February congressional hearings. "We take direct actions against terrorists in the intelligence community," Blair said. "If we think that direct action will involve killing an American, we get specific permission to do that."
Awlaki, who was born in New Mexico, has been linked by e-mail communication to Nidal Malik Hasan, the army psychologist who gunned down 13 soldiers in a November rampage at Ford Hood, Texas. No evidence has been presented, however, to suggest that Awlaki in any way planned or ordered the attack.
There have also been allegations, so far entirely unsubstantiated, linking Awlaki to Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Nigerian youth who attempted to blow up an airplane as it approached Detroit on December 25, 2009. The failed attack was, in fact, made possible by the stand-down of the US intelligence apparatus--or its direct complicity.
Awlaki's family have defended him. "I am now afraid of what they will do with my son, he's not Osama Bin Laden, they want to make something out of him that he's not," said his father, Dr. Nasser al-Awlaki, a US-trained scientist, in a January interview with CNN. "How can the American government kill one of their own citizens? This is a legal issue that needs to be answered."
The public justification for killing Awlaki is based on bald assertions and hearsay from intelligence sources who refuse to even identify themselves. Typical is the following account from the New York Times: "American counterterrorism officials say Mr. Awlaki is an operative of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula " They say they believe that he has become a recruiter for the terrorist network, feeding prospects into plots aimed at the United States and at Americans abroad, the officials said."
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.....But don't expect pictures from the hit because... that's not who we are! :(
 
This is just un-fucking-believable! Can anyone imagine how the liberals would be burning up this board with their rhetoric, had BUSH ordered an assassination on a US citizen? Hell, they were ready to try him for war crimes for detaining and interrogating people who could have theoretically been US citizens... they are still carrying on about waterboarding conducted on NON-US citizens! But THE OBAMA apparently can't do any wrong in their eyes, if he thinks someone needs to be whacked, he can do that, he's the Prez, right?

I wonder if al-Awlaki will be 'swimming with the fishies' soon?
 
I doubt ANYONE liberal, conservative or whatever is going to argue in favor of this.

This is wrong plain and simple. One of many things I am disapointed in Obama about.

One thing I think this does make clear (ducking as I type) is the existence of a shadow government.
 
I believe this was debated at length when it was news.

Oh sorry Nigel, I didn't know it wasn't news anymore. Since it just happened last week, and it is the unprecedented act of a president ordering a hit on an American citizen, I figured the newsworthiness would have lasted more than a week, but I guess Lindsey Lohann or Charlie Sheen must've bumped it out of the cycle, huh?

IDIOT!
 
Oh sorry Nigel, I didn't know it wasn't news anymore. Since it just happened last week, and it is the unprecedented act of a president ordering a hit on an American citizen, I figured the newsworthiness would have lasted more than a week, but I guess Lindsey Lohann or Charlie Sheen must've bumped it out of the cycle, huh?

IDIOT!


So I guess the ACLU and the Center for Constitutional Rights are time travellers considering they filed a lawsuit concerning this matter back in August 2010?
 
I don't see why YOU'RE complaining Dixie. You love broad sweeping unilateral executive powers so far as the results are to your liking.

Oh, I am just trying to figure out the liberal stance on human rights here. It seems odd they are opposed to extraordinary rendition, but okay with extraordinary assassination. Pouring water on a terrorists head is violating his Constitutional rights, but blowing his head off is not. A president can't liberate 50 million people with the US military, but he can send in surgical hit squads to kill American citizens. He can't listen to your phone call, but he can send assassins to terminate your connection! Foreign detainees at Gitmo deserve a fair trial in civilian court, but it's alright to whack an American citizen without a trial. CIA interrogators who used enhanced interrogation must be drug into court and punished, but the President can order contract hits on anyone he chooses.. It's just a really bizarre way of thinking, if you ask me.
 
Hey, maybe I should try liberal convoluted thinking myself? All of this bluster over the rich getting richer and poor getting poorer... it's easy to fix if you think convoluted like a liberal... we just execute anyone who makes less than $40k a year... that takes care of the problem, right?
 
Oh, I am just trying to figure out the liberal stance on human rights here. It seems odd they are opposed to extraordinary rendition, but okay with extraordinary assassination. Pouring water on a terrorists head is violating his Constitutional rights, but blowing his head off is not. A president can't liberate 50 million people with the US military, but he can send in surgical hit squads to kill American citizens. He can't listen to your phone call, but he can send assassins to terminate your connection! Foreign detainees at Gitmo deserve a fair trial in civilian court, but it's alright to whack an American citizen without a trial. CIA interrogators who used enhanced interrogation must be drug into court and punished, but the President can order contract hits on anyone he chooses.. It's just a really bizarre way of thinking, if you ask me.
But you're ok with all those things and more, so it's a moot point.
 
Define citizen of the USA. HE was born in New Mexico, but I believe he has renounced his US citizenship in more than one way, so if he is not a US citizen, what do you think of the kill order now.

You would also be applauding this if it were Bush doing this.

Obama is putting the masterminds of 9/11 on notice. No one who commits crimes of the USA will go unpunished.

There are ways to do this within the letter of the law. I am sure his administration has checked all this out, it would be foolish not to do so, especially with the likes of people like you who hate everything he does.
 
POTENTIALLY EXPATRIATING ACTS
Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1481), as amended, states that U.S. citizens are subject to loss of citizenship if they perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Briefly stated, these acts include:
1. obtaining naturalization in a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);
2. taking an oath, affirmation or other formal declaration to a foreign state or its political subdivisions (Sec. 349 (a) (2) INA);
3. entering or serving in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities against the U.S. or serving as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer in the armed forces of a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (3) INA);
4. accepting employment with a foreign government if (a) one has the nationality of that foreign state or (b) an oath or declaration of allegiance is required in accepting the position (Sec. 349 (a) (4) INA);
5. formally renouncing U.S. citizenship before a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer outside the United States (sec. 349 (a) (5) INA);
6. formally renouncing U.S. citizenship within the U.S. (but only under strict, narrow statutory conditions) (Sec. 349 (a) (6) INA);
7. conviction for an act of treason (Sec. 349 (a) (7) INA).
 
Define citizen of the USA. HE was born in New Mexico, but I believe he has renounced his US citizenship in more than one way, so if he is not a US citizen, what do you think of the kill order now.

You would also be applauding this if it were Bush doing this.

Obama is putting the masterminds of 9/11 on notice. No one who commits crimes of the USA will go unpunished.

There are ways to do this within the letter of the law. I am sure his administration has checked all this out, it would be foolish not to do so, especially with the likes of people like you who hate everything he does.


Please show me the "LAW" which allows a US President to order hit squads into sovereign countries to execute US citizens?
 
There will be those who demand the long form of his renunciation, don't you know.

I believe we should have had a special task force go in after Saddam and save ourselves from a war. I have said this since 1990. It would have saved a lot of lives and a lot of money.
 
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