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NEW HAVEN, Conn. – A paroled burglar was convicted Tuesday of murdering a woman and her two daughters in their suburban home during a night of terror that drew comparisons to "In Cold Blood" and bolstered efforts to retain the death penalty in Connecticut.

The mother was sexually assaulted and strangled. Her two girls died of smoke inhalation after the youngest was sexually assaulted, they were tied to their beds and doused in gasoline, and the house was set on fire.

Steven Hayes, 47, could be sentenced to death. His attorneys have admitted his involvement and will argue for a life sentence.

Prosecutors said Hayes and another ex-con broke into the family's house in Cheshire in 2007, beat the girls' father with a baseball bat and forced their mother, Jennifer Hawke-Petit, to withdraw money from a bank before she was sexually assaulted and killed. Eleven-year-old Michaela and 17-year-old Hayley were tied to their beds, with pillowcases over their heads, before they were killed by the gas-fueled fire, authorities said.

The crime drew comparisons to "In Cold Blood," Truman Capote's chilling book about the 1959 murders of a Kansas family, and prompted more Cheshire residents to get guns. It also led to tougher laws for repeat offenders and home invasions, and Connecticut Gov. M. Jodi Rell cited the case when she vetoed a bill that would have abolished the death penalty.

The girls' father and the lone survivor, Dr. William Petit, appeared to stifle tears as the verdict was read. His head down, he sucked in his bottom lip.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101006/ap_on_re_us/us_home_invasion

fuck that, this guy needs to burn
 
there's a time an place for empathy. When dealing with these perps, you have to be insane to feel any empathy. Take your anti-death penalty self-rightousness and shove up your ass
 
tinfoil said:
there's a time an place for empathy. When dealing with these perps, you have to be insane to feel any empathy. Take your anti-death penalty self-rightousness and shove up your ass
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You seem to be confusing empathy with practicality. You don't like the idea of the government getting to decide who lives and dies do you?
 
tinfoil said:
When dealing with these perps, you have to be insane to feel any empathy.
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Why don't you kill me then. I deserve it. I will not apologize for opposing the death penalty. I have read this (it's an old story and yurt is just bringing it up to troll me) and worse a thousand times and I still think the death penalty is morally reprehensible. If you disagree then you can go fuck yourself.

I am going to hide this thread because these issues stress me out more than anything and I have no idea why you guys keep beating this dead horse.
 
I am against death for this guy. We should prolong his life as long as possible while scientifically inducing as much agonizing pain as possible on a daily basis.
 
Yes, I oppose the DP, even though I would personally like to torture these two fuckers to death. In the end, they will have to endure an eternity of global warming when its all said and done.

Anyone see the photo's of these two fuckwads, and not think, "wow, the guy on the right is totally going to be the other guy's penis depository on death row!!!!"?
 
the death penalty is too lenient

keep the scumbag in prison until he can no longer do much of anything and then kick him out on the streets
 
It is always refreshing to read these particular threads.

A list of morally upstanding people venting their outrage at some horrendous act of violence by expressing a desire to inflict horrendous amounts of pain and/or agonising death on someone.

It just restores one's faith in humanity.
 
Yurt said:
NEW HAVEN, Conn. – A paroled burglar was convicted Tuesday of murdering a woman and her two daughters in their suburban home during a night of terror that drew comparisons to "In Cold Blood" and bolstered efforts to retain the death penalty in Connecticut.

The mother was sexually assaulted and strangled. Her two girls died of smoke inhalation after the youngest was sexually assaulted, they were tied to their beds and doused in gasoline, and the house was set on fire.

Steven Hayes, 47, could be sentenced to death. His attorneys have admitted his involvement and will argue for a life sentence.

Prosecutors said Hayes and another ex-con broke into the family's house in Cheshire in 2007, beat the girls' father with a baseball bat and forced their mother, Jennifer Hawke-Petit, to withdraw money from a bank before she was sexually assaulted and killed. Eleven-year-old Michaela and 17-year-old Hayley were tied to their beds, with pillowcases over their heads, before they were killed by the gas-fueled fire, authorities said.

The crime drew comparisons to "In Cold Blood," Truman Capote's chilling book about the 1959 murders of a Kansas family, and prompted more Cheshire residents to get guns. It also led to tougher laws for repeat offenders and home invasions, and Connecticut Gov. M. Jodi Rell cited the case when she vetoed a bill that would have abolished the death penalty.

The girls' father and the lone survivor, Dr. William Petit, appeared to stifle tears as the verdict was read. His head down, he sucked in his bottom lip.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101006/ap_on_re_us/us_home_invasion

fuck that, this guy needs to burn
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If I remember correctly this was a case of police incompetence too.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
If I remember correctly this was a case of police incompetence too.
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That was the sensationalist story (and Tinfoil's stance), but the police followed procedures as they were traned to do. Hindsight is always 20/20.
 
I have several problems with the death penalty.

First of all, it is not reserved for isolated cases in which there is no doubt of guilt. With all the people who have been released from prison after being wrongly convicted, even with eyewitness testimony and hard evidence, I find it hard to believe anyone is sure enough of guilt to have the death penalty on the table in general.

Second of all, I object to killing someone on moral grounds. Capital punishment is more about revenge than about justice. Let'em rot in prison.

Third of all, numerous studies have shown it is no cheaper to keep them in jail for decades than it is to investigate, try and appeal a capital crime. At least with them as inmates you can put them to work or use them to test new medications ect.
 
not to mention that the death penalty is also applied in a very unfair manner. Kill your wife, or wifes mother, get 25 to life, paroled in 10-15. Kill a cop, get death penalty. it's bullshit.
 
Americans are responsible for transmitting the noahide laws to all mankind, and the noahide laws command decapitation of blasphemers, idolators, homosexuals, and theives.
 
The King of Proles said:
You seem to be confusing empathy with practicality. You don't like the idea of the government getting to decide who lives and dies do you?
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i understand what you're saying, but imo, this misses the point....

by not having harsh punishment, it can easily be argued the government is 'allowing' more deaths, thus, by omission, deciding who lives and who doesn't...in this case, it would be the innocent people dying while the guilty live...

this is not, imo, a case simply of the government "deciding" who lives and who dies, this is about choice and consequences...for example, it is my understanding you are ex military and i don't recall i've ever heard you say anything against the government killing in war or military action....the same applies here....these assholes gave up their right to live when they brutally took the lives of 3 people, not only their lives, but their minds and bodies via rape and torture

if you don't have a problem taking out someone on the battlefield, i fail to see how yoiu can have a problem taking out perps like this
 
WinterBorn said:
I have several problems with the death penalty.

First of all, it is not reserved for isolated cases in which there is no doubt of guilt. With all the people who have been released from prison after being wrongly convicted, even with eyewitness testimony and hard evidence, I find it hard to believe anyone is sure enough of guilt to have the death penalty on the table in general.

Second of all, I object to killing someone on moral grounds. Capital punishment is more about revenge than about justice. Let'em rot in prison.

Third of all, numerous studies have shown it is no cheaper to keep them in jail for decades than it is to investigate, try and appeal a capital crime. At least with them as inmates you can put them to work or use them to test new medications ect.
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1. then your issue in your first concern is merely the application of it...this can and should be remedied

2. letting them rot in prison can be considered torture by some people and culture, it is viewed by some as more humane to end their lives....and imo....'letting them rot' is about revenge as much as the death penalty...in that, i disagree and that both are about justice as both serve the same ends
 
You are wrong, IMHO.

Once a person has been executed, there is no possibility of redress if it's discovered they were wrongly convicted. That alone makes the death penalty wrong.
 
Ohcapzag said:
You are wrong, IMHO.

Once a person has been executed, there is no possibility of redress if it's discovered they were wrongly convicted. That alone makes the death penalty wrong.
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and there is no redress for locking someone up for 30 years of their life either

nice try, but justice is not perfect
 
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