another murder by the government

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You responded to another poster who asked "why was swat included in the bust?".





The "bust" in question being the one in the OP.


They asked that question in reference to the incident in the OP, genius.

Your reply?

It's so easy to expose your lack of intergrity.


Want to try again?
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you questioning someone's integrity

:lol:
 
Ice Dancer said:
So I wrongly attributed it to Churchill...but it makes it nonetheless apropos`-though I do appreciate having my error pointed out to me.


btw you wrongly state the historical facts about Churchill. He was a soldier and a conservative at a young age and did indeed switch to the
liberal party at 30-but switched back to the conservative party- and the liberal party of the Britain at his time of doing so, was NOTHING, like that of American liberal democrats.

A man named Peter Rutland wrote a letter to the Washington Post
clearing up the origin of the 'Churchill quote':

?Charles Krauthammer [op-ed, May 25] quotes Winston Churchill as
saying, "If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If
you're not a conservative when you're 40, you have no head."

This quotation is frequently but mistakenly attributed to Churchill.
It is anyway unlikely that Churchill would subscribe to this
philosophy: He was a swashbuckling soldier at 20, and a Conservative
member of Parliament at 25. A couple of years later he switched to the
Liberal Party (which was not liberal in the modern sense), and later
went back to the Conservatives.

The phrase originated with Francois Guisot (1787-1874): "Not to be a
republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is
proof of want of head." It was revived by French Premier Georges
Clemenceau (1841-1929): "Not to be a socialist at twenty is proof of
want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head."
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There really is no logic to your premise. All human beings start out conservative as a child; self centered. With proper upbringing we become liberal; considerate of others and empathetic.

I don't put stock in anything conservative George Clemenceau said. His conservative philosophy of the need to punish, led to a Treaty of Versailles that was a Carthaginian peace; a settlement that is overly harsh and designed to perpetuate the inferiority of the loser. Resentment in Germany laid the groundwork for the eventual rise of the Nazi party. Woodrow Wilson put forward his 14 Points, which was a conciliatory view toward the issue of German reparations with self determination for Europe.

There may never have been a Nazi party in Germany had Wilson's plan been followed. He understood the people of a country don't start wars, governments do. But conservatives believe people are evil and treat them accordingly. Liberalism is faith in human beings and a trust that the human spirit can solve all man-made problems.


Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone
 
Bfgrn said:
But conservatives believe people are evil and treat them accordingly. Liberalism is faith in human beings and a trust that the human spirit can solve all man-made problems.
Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

and that faith in human beings is why you want to ban high capacity mags , assault weapons, and machine guns????
 
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Bfgrn said:
Go back and read STY's post, and what the context of my reply pertains to.
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Your reply is nonsense. Leftist authoritarians want to ensure that only the government is armed, it isn't because they have "faith" in their fellow man. You can tell this by their arguments, they want to take them away because they are afraid of their fellow man.
 
All attempts to limit ownership of and access to guns and ammunition are unconstitutional.
 
In a warrant like this it is likely the cops NEVER announced themselves. You kick in my door when my wife and kids are home you are going to get shot.
 
Socrtease said:
In a warrant like this it is likely the cops NEVER announced themselves. You kick in my door when my wife and kids are home you are going to get shot.
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Quite right. Essentially, the homeowner had no idea who was invading his home. An armed response is appropriate in that situation.
 
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