Another example of progress over the years.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Nordberg,

Atheists do not say it in public.

BS. I am an atheist. I've never hidden the fact. I have found plenty of others who openly discuss their atheism. One of the reasons atheists don't make a point of expressing their views so blatantly is because it is actually considered rude. Some Christians are VERY rude, and act like theirs is the only belief system on the planet and if you don't share it then you're the devil himself. One huge nuisance is being 'blessed' by perfect strangers upon sneezing. What a ridiculous display of rudeness! A sneeze is a biological function. It has nothing to do with personal beliefs. Nothing need be said upon sneezing.

The fact that he was never seen in the church that he said he was a member of is a big clue. His total unfamiliarity with the bible "2 corinthians" and saying a passage with the word liberty in it was Liberty Univ favorite passage was showing no knowledge of it. He has never been able to say anything cogent about the bible. He has never opened one. it is a prop for him.
His accumulated statements about religion show he lived a life ignoring it.

Anybody can be an atheist. Make no moral judgements of atheists in general. It has nothing more to do with individual morality than religion does. There is nothing inherently wrong with being an atheist. They can be very well intentioned people, or they can be like Trump.

I would not be surprised if Trump is secretly an atheist, but since he represents himself as a Christian, I am perfectly happy to accept that. Christians can own him. It wouldn't be the first time a powerful Christian had ill intent, although his is exemplary.

 

[Cypress]

MORE LIES FROM THE #1 LIAR HERE.

TRUMP MAKES NO BONES ABOUT HIS CHRISTIANITY, AND THERE ARE NO "PRO-ABORTION" CATHOLICS.


DO YOU EVER NOT LIE?

I don't think prominent people in business and politics generally openly advertise they are atheist.

Trump is not religious, he never attends church, he knows nothing about the bible, he mocks christians in private, and people in is organization say they assumed he was an atheist.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...orters-mocks-pastors-private-b697181.html?amp

 

[anatta]

No, but because you are so desperate that I let you forget him, I will not.

everyone is ego driven. has nothing to do with religion ( except in the case of anatta = "no self")

Trump gave up a salary, put up with 3 years of Russian hoax- an is very patriotic.

Does that make him religious? no - but you can't say egoism makes him not so either
In short you are barking at nothing

 

[Cypress]

It was a big deal that John Kennedy was a Catholic when he ran for president, he had to give a speech to address it specifically and to assert his political independence from the Pope.


Now we elected Trump, an Atheist.

And nobody said a thing about Biden being Catholic.

I think it's possible Richard Nixon was the first atheist president, and Donald Trump the second.

Tricky Dick was raised Quaker, but as an adult I do not know of any evidence he maintained his family's religious faith.

 

[Jarod]

everyone is ego driven. has nothing to do with religion ( except in the case of anatta = "no self")

Trump gave up a salary, put up with 3 years of Russian hoax- an is very patriotic.

Does that make him religious? no - but you can't say egoism makes him not so either
In short you are barking at nothing

When your ego is all that matters, it becomes your religion. It replaces God, because God is all about more than the self.

 

[Jarod]

I think it's possible Richard Nixon was the first atheist president, and Donald Trump the second.

Tricky Dick was raised Quaker, but as an adult I do not know of any evidence he maintained his family's religious faith.

Maybe, he was president shortly before the evangelicals took over the Republican party.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

It was a big deal that John Kennedy was a Catholic when he ran for president, he had to give a speech to address it specifically and to assert his political independence from the Pope.


Now we elected Trump, an Atheist.

And nobody said a thing about Biden being Catholic.

Evangelicals, many of them, don't think that Catholics are actual Christians. Plus the Cult prefers to skip over the part where #TRE45ON never went to church, but the Bidens do.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I saw him with a Bible in his hand.

 

[Jack]

Hahaha ... thanks, I needed that.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I don't think prominent people in business and politics generally openly advertise they are atheist.

Trump is not religious, he never attends church, he knows nothing about the bible, he mocks christians in private, and people in is organization say they assumed he was an atheist.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...orters-mocks-pastors-private-b697181.html?amp

Yep.

He just pretended to be Xtian because he would have lost the evangelicals if he'd admitted to being non-religious. Regular ppl can get away with being atheists; American politicians, on the other hand, are supposed to represent Christianity -- at least in the fundies' minds.

 

[Jarod]

Ugh

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

everyone is ego driven. has nothing to do with religion ( except in the case of anatta = "no self")

Trump gave up a salary, put up with 3 years of Russian hoax- an is very patriotic.

Does that make him religious? no - but you can't say egoism makes him not so either
In short you are barking at nothing

My, you *have* drunk deeply from the Fount of Orange Koolaid, haven't you? Do you seriously believe that nonsense?

 

[Cypress]

Yep.

He just pretended to be Xtian because he would have lost the evangelicals if he'd admitted to being non-religious.
Regular ppl can get away with being atheists; American politicians, on the other hand, are supposed to represent Christianity -- at least in the fundies' minds.

For sure, it is politically radioactive for a national Republican politician to openly admit being atheist.

But however you slice it, Donald Trump and Tricky Dick Nixon were about the most non-religous presidents of our generation.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Atheists do not say it in public. The fact that he was never seen in the church that he said he was a member of is a big clue. His total unfamiliarity with the bible "2 corinthians" and saying a passage with the word liberty in it was Liberty Univ favorite passage was showing no knowledge of it. He has never been able to say anything cogent about the bible. He has never opened one. it is a prop for him.
His accumulated statements about religion show he lived a life ignoring it.

Atheism is a religion. At best, you might make an argument that Trump is a Secularist. That is, someone that doesn't give a shit about religion. Atheists, by definition, deny the existence of a god or gods, or anything like one. They have a religious belief there's nothing greater than themselves and what's physically in front of them.

 

[Cypress]

Atheism is a religion. At best, you might make an argument that Trump is a Secularist. That is, someone that doesn't give a shit about religion. Atheists, by definition, deny the existence of a god or gods, or anything like one. They have a religious belief there's nothing greater than themselves and what's physically in front of them.

That's not what religion is, most people get caught up in a western bias when they try to define religion.

This is the best definition of religion I have seen, by the prominent theologian Max Stackhouse

Stackhouse defined religion as "a comprehensive worldview or 'metaphysical moral vision' that is accepted as binding because it is held to be in itself basically true and just even if all dimensions of it cannot be either fully confirmed or refuted",

 

[T. A. Gardner]

That's not what religion is, most people get caught up in a western bias when they try to define religion.

This is the best definition of religion I have seen, by the prominent theologian Max Stackhouse

Stackhouse defined religion as "a comprehensive worldview or 'metaphysical moral vision' that is accepted as binding because it is held to be in itself basically true and just even if all dimensions of it cannot be either fully confirmed or refuted",

Which amounts to the same thing in a lot more words. Atheism is a religion. It is by the above very much a 'metaphysical moral vision.'

 

[Cypress]

Which amounts to the same thing in a lot more words. Atheism is a religion. It is by the above very much a 'metaphysical moral vision.'

No, because atheism or agnosticism do not constitute a binding metaphysical moral vision.

That doesn't mean they aren't ethical people, but there is no universal "atheist moral philosophy" in the way that Buddhism, Judaism, and Islam have an elaborate, systematic, and binding moral vision.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Atheism is a religion. At best, you might make an argument that Trump is a Secularist. That is, someone that doesn't give a shit about religion. Atheists, by definition, deny the existence of a god or gods, or anything like one. They have a religious belief there's nothing greater than themselves and what's physically in front of them.

Atheism by its very definition is NOT a "religion." It's the absence of a belief in a deity or deities, in a human soul that survives the death of the meatspace body, and in other supernatural things. My husband is atheist; he says there's no evidence for any of those things so disregards them as having any meaning to him.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

No, because atheism or agnosticism do not constitute a binding metaphysical moral vision.

That doesn't mean they aren't ethical people, but there is no universal "atheist moral philosophy" in the way that Buddhism, Judaism, and Islam have an elaborate, systematic, and binding moral vision.

So, your claim is that Atheists are amoral and have no moral foundation. That is, they feel they can do whatever the hell they please because there are no moral bounds placed on them by their denial of any higher system of moral authority

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Atheism by its very definition is NOT a "religion." It's the absence of a belief in a deity or deities, in a human soul that survives the death of the meatspace body, and in other supernatural things. My husband is atheist; he says there's no evidence for any of those things so disregards them as having any meaning to him.

And does so by having a religious faith to one degree or another that his views are correct.