Another DeSantis Fail

ThatOwlWoman said:
Apparently the conservative thing is to cheat. Whoops. lol

If you are told by a person in authority that you can register to vote, are you really going to try to figure out who in state govt. you should call to verify that? Wouldn't you accept it at face value, assume that they know what they're talking about, and that when you go to register if you're not eligible someone will tell you that? Don't you find it interesting that DeSantis's little Voting Gestapo could only find "fraud" by going through the roles of paroled felons and checking to see if any of them had registered and/or voted? And that of all the parolees in FL, they could only find 20 to arrest?

I don't understand why you believe that these ppl intentionally registered and voted fraudulently. If they wanted to go back to prison so bad, aren't there easier ways of doing that?
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Do you not agree that the person telling you can register to vote would be a person in authority within the elections office. Would you take the word of any smuck at the courthouse? A felonis stupid to begin with but they are still accountable for their actions. Sould we bend the laws for stupid people.
As you know my daughter is in mental health within the prison system. She says the average IQ of prisoners is in the double digits.
 
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Yakuda said:
You realize don't you dip shit that you can be charged with murder even if you didn't intend to kill someone. Regardless of what comey said about the talking pig in a pant suit you don't have to intend to commit a crime to be charged with one. You people are so retarded.
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Does it hurt a lot to be so nasty, stupid, and vile? Go away, idiot.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Do you not agree that the person telling you can register to vote would be a person in authority within the elections office. Would you take the word of any smuck at the courthouse? A felonis stupid to begin with but they are still accountable for their actions. Sould we bend the laws for stupid people.
As you know my daughter is in mental health within the prison system. She says the average IQ of prisoners is in the double digits.
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Convicts are told to respect and listen to the advice of their probation officers, people like your daughter, and the outreach social workers that minister to them after they are paroled. Why on Earth would they have any reason to doubt it, if one of those individuals tells them that they are eligible to register and vote? You are right about their intelligence level.

As far as stupid people, the majority of convicts are of below average intelligence. Perhaps we should only allow those with IQs of 100 (average) or above to vote? That would certainly lose a lot of the MAGAT base, for sure.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
You confuse general intent and specific intent. General intent only needs to prove the persln did the crime. Specific intent the state has to prove you meant to commit the crime and you did the crime.
Most crimes fall under general intent. Sorry Perry wrong again.
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So your argument is if I am carrying a brick on my lap and it falls off and lands on the accelerator of my car and the car exceeds the speed limit I can't be convicted since I had no general intent to speed?
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Intent is not impossible to prove. One needs only prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
It has already been explained to you that murder does not require proving intent to convict. Some laws require intent exist for the crime to occur. Other laws don't require intent. Murder laws are ones where no intent is required which is why the laws don't use the word "willingly" in describing the crime.
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Exactly.

That's why there are degrees of murder. Manslaughter is killing someone w/o intent to *willfully* kill them. Example: Two guys get into a shoving match. One gets shoved, hits his head, and dies. Did the shover INTEND to kill him? No. So it is not murder (intentional killing), but manslaughter.

It's quite likely that these 20 people truly believed that they were eligible to vote again and did their civic duty w/o realizing that they were not allowed to do so. Therefore, it's not fraud. It's a simple error that *should* have been dealt with by informing them that they cannot vote, and discarding their ballots. If there is no way to tell who they voted for, then take 10 votes from the (D)s and 10 from the (R)s. I see no reason that they should have to return to prison just to put a feather in the cap of a bloviating prick like DeSantis.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Convicts are told to respect and listen to the advice of their probation officers, people like your daughter, and the outreach social workers that minister to them after they are paroled. Why on Earth would they have any reason to doubt it, if one of those individuals tells them that they are eligible to register and vote? You are right about their intelligence level.

As far as stupid people, the majority of convicts are of below average intelligence. Perhaps we should only allow those with IQs of 100 (average) or above to vote? That would certainly lose a lot of the MAGAT base, for sure.
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Perhaps we should only allow those with IQs of 100 (average) or above to vote? That would certainly lose a lot of the MAGAT base, for sure.
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You are absolutely correct about felons believing their counselors. That is why no one in the system would give them advice on something such as voting unless the are absolutely sure the information is correct.

We are on seperate sides of the fence politically but I give you kudos and total agreement on your IQ remark.:laugh:
 
Eagle_Eye said:
You are absolutely correct about felons believing their counselors. That is why no one in the system would give them advice on something such as voting unless the are absolutely sure the information is correct.

We are on seperate sides of the fence politically but I give you kudos and total agreement on your IQ remark.:laugh:
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You might find this article interesting. At least one of these guys was told by the registrar that he COULD register to vote.

A handcuffed Nathan Hart, 49, found a sympathetic ear when he explained how he ended up registering and voting illegally, according to the sheriff’s office recording.

As he stood handcuffed, he told officers that he signed up to vote at the encouragement of somebody at “the driver’s license place.” Records show it was in March 2020.

“I said, ‘I’m a convicted felon, I’m pretty sure I can’t,’” Hart, a registered sex offender, told officers. “He goes, ‘Well, are you still on probation?’”

Hart’s probation had ended a month earlier, Hart recalled. The person told him to sign up anyway.

“He said, ‘Well, just fill out this form, and if they let you vote, then you can,’” Hart said. “‘If they don’t, then you can’t.’”

“Then there’s your defense,” one of the officers replied. “You know what I’m saying? That sounds like a loophole to me.”

“Well, we can hope,” Hart said.
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Police cameras show confusion, anger over DeSantis’ voter fraud arrests
 
LurchAddams said:
You know DeSantis was sending Sheriff's to peoples' homes, mostly black people and arresting them for suspected voter fraud. One of his sick stunts. The poor people- I hope they sue the shit out of him.

He's such a douche. Him and his Cowgirl boots.
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He IS a prick of the first magnitude. No wonder the Trumpanzees are drooling with desire over him. Water finds its own level.
 
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