Americans losing faith in elections process

[Into the Night]

Of course I do. Nearly half of Democrats (and the Left) think there's cheating going on. On the non-Left / Democrat side of things its at 3 out of 4 and headed towards 100%.

That is a problem.

Imagine this scenario with the above. Biden faces somebody other than Trump. Polls have Biden--like he is now--with rock bottom favorability polling in the low 40's to mid 30's--and yet he somehow manages a narrow victory. You could easily have over 50% of the population not believing the results. Doesn't matter if they're accurate or full of fraud. The population at that point doesn't believe in the results, and that's what matters. They see the results as illegitimate, and the government that is being put in power the same way. That is a major problem.

If DeSantis wins the nomination (not likely), and prevails in the 2024 election, he will implement conservatism his way, the Democrats will go ape, and there will be war.

If Trump wins the nomination (most likely), and prevails in the 2024 election, he will continue his conservatism his way, the Democrats will go ape, and there will be war.

If Biden wins the nomination (??), and prevails in the 2024 election despite his low support, people will be convinced in no uncertain terms that elections are meaningless and the only option is war. Biden and the Democrats will figure they have 'approval' to continue with their purge, starting the war.

If any other Democrat leader wins the nomination and prevails in the 2024 election, it is the same as if Biden had won. Democrats will be justified in continuing the Purge.

In all four cases, Democrats will start the war. You can already see the sabre rattling and the war drum beating by the left right here on JPP. It will be a religious war, the worst kind:

I had hoped it could be avoided. War is so wasteful of lives and wealth. I just don't see how it can be avoided now. The Democrat run cities are already like war zones with their unchecked crime, looting, pillaging, people living in tents, and drugs everywhere killing people and turning them into living zombies.

I travel across the States fairly regularly. I know you travel Arizona fairly regularly. I see the anger that is out there. It is incredible. It is the citizens of this great nation, who still support the Constitution, beginning to rise up in anger. The News Media is trying to suppress that this anger even exists.

There's a reason the Democrats are doing everything they can to smear Trump by hook or by crook. He's the biggest threat to them.
Do you think they will be any kinder to DeSantis? No. That won't happen.

 

[Into the Night]

Agreed. What is the solution?

I'm not sure there is one, short of civil war.

No matter who 'wins' the 2024 election, people on the other side will not believe the election is anything but rigged.

If a Republican wins, Democrats will go ape, and become violent.
If a Democrat wins, it will only justify their continuing Purge, ending eventually in violence.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I'm not sure there is one, short of civil war.

No matter who 'wins' the 2024 election, people on the other side will not believe the election is anything but rigged.

If a Republican wins, Democrats will go ape, and become violent.
If a Democrat wins, it will only justify their continuing Purge, ending eventually in violence.

Will you be murdering Lefties, Sybil?

 

[Yakuda]

I'm not sure there is one, short of civil war.

No matter who 'wins' the 2024 election, people on the other side will not believe the election is anything but rigged.

If a Republican wins, Democrats will go ape, and become violent.
If a Democrat wins, it will only justify their continuing Purge, ending eventually in violence.

Sadly I think you're right. It's been my experience with bullies that there is only one sure fire way to get them to stop their bullying.

 

[Into the Night]

You are missing the point. THAT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER! What matters here is that the population believes the election was fraudulent and all the attempts by government officials, the MSM, whoever saying they're wrong isn't going to change that. The population's perception, belief, is the election was rigged, fraudulent, and full of cheating.

It is important that the population believe in and can see that the election process was fair and accurate. The Democrats, and the Democrats alone, are driving this change in perception / belief towards people saying the elections are rigged and full of cheating. What is driving this?

Mail in balloting, particularly all mail in balloting
Ballot drop boxes
No voter ID
Ballot harvesting
Voting 'seasons' that last weeks
No ensuring voter rolls are accurate
Automatic voter registration

That's a sample of things that are causing people to question the election results, and it's getting worse not better.

Let's not forget the election fraud by Democrats:

* mathematical improbability of all Democrat votes arriving in after hours counting.
* counting while election offices are closed and NO OBSERVERS PRESENT.
* changes in election law ex-post-facto.
* changes in election law by unauthorized personnel.
* too many States where election was not certified and no electors were chosen by the legislature.
* demonstrated weakness in voter machine software (Georgia just admitted it AGAIN just yesterday, but the software won't be fixed until AFTER the 2024 election (why??)).
* video surveillance tape showing election workers filling out ballots en masse, and also of running the same ballot through the machine several times...all after hours with NO OBSERVERS PRESENT.
* election processing conducted by a candidate running for office.

What is driving Democrats to do this? The belief that they can win by cheating.

The 2024 election cycle will be a disaster, no matter who wins.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

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The 2024 election cycle will be a disaster, no matter who wins.

Will you start the civil war by murdering your lefty neighbors, including their kids, Sybil?

 

[gfm7175]

If DeSantis wins the nomination (not likely), and prevails in the 2024 election, he will implement conservatism his way, the Democrats will go ape, and there will be war.

If Trump wins the nomination (most likely), and prevails in the 2024 election, he will continue his conservatism his way, the Democrats will go ape, and there will be war.

If Biden wins the nomination (??), and prevails in the 2024 election despite his low support, people will be convinced in no uncertain terms that elections are meaningless and the only option is war. Biden and the Democrats will figure they have 'approval' to continue with their purge, starting the war.

If any other Democrat leader wins the nomination and prevails in the 2024 election, it is the same as if Biden had won. Democrats will be justified in continuing the Purge.

In all four cases, Democrats will start the war. You can already see the sabre rattling and the war drum beating by the left right here on JPP. It will be a religious war, the worst kind:

I had hoped it could be avoided. War is so wasteful of lives and wealth. I just don't see how it can be avoided now. The Democrat run cities are already like war zones with their unchecked crime, looting, pillaging, people living in tents, and drugs everywhere killing people and turning them into living zombies.

I travel across the States fairly regularly. I know you travel Arizona fairly regularly. I see the anger that is out there. It is incredible. It is the citizens of this great nation, who still support the Constitution, beginning to rise up in anger. The News Media is trying to suppress that this anger even exists.

There's a reason the Democrats are doing everything they can to smear Trump by hook or by crook. He's the biggest threat to them.
Do you think they will be any kinder to DeSantis? No. That won't happen.

Spot on. The waste of life and wealth is a sad thought, but at least we as Christians have faith that such events are happening according to an ultimately perfect plan of restoration. We "live our best life" in peace amongst the chaos, serving a divine purpose along the way.

 

[Hawkeye10]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1669577538652504065

I believe that it is already too late, but multiple people in my circle think we have an outside chance of saving Old America if the people revolt now.

 

[gfm7175]

Do you think they will be any kinder to DeSantis? No. That won't happen.

Correct, and it's a big reason why I can't stand the "Trump without the baggage" argument that people who favor DeSantis in the primaries make... Do they seriously believe that the left won't CREATE "baggage" for DeSantis just as they CREATED "baggage" for Trump?

Such people need to forget about "baggage" because it becomes a false premise that the left gets them to accept as an underlying fact to any discussion about [insert the latest loony leftist talking point of the day].

"Baggage" is just a clever way for the Republican Party, currently a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat Party, to get We The People (voters) to shift their support away from the person who is actually FINALLY making a difference and back onto some other party stooge who will maintain the abusive status-quo.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

No court ever ruled we had an unconstitutional election.

I am sorry you continue to lie about this.......not going to bother proving it again.......just going to tell you to shove it up your ass......

 

[Into the Night]

I'm not sure merely following the law, the Constitution and simply doing the right thing is considered "honorable".

Pence did not follow the Constitution. He had no authority to choose the electors for any State, which he did.

 

[Into the Night]

He merely followed the law. Did his job. In an employee evaluation, "meets expectations" is nothing special.

Pence did NOT follow the law. He has no authority to choose the electors for any State.

 

[Into the Night]

I'm not sure what "solution" you're referring to.

The continuing claim that it was a stolen election, though, is certainly free speech, but not the truth.

It is the truth, though you deny it.
You cannot make the evidence of election fraud by Democrats just disappear.

 

[Flash]

Pence did not follow the Constitution. He had no authority to choose the electors for any State, which he did.

He did not choose any electors. He counted the electors certified by the states and submitted to Congress.

12th Amendment: " The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed;"

 

[Into the Night]

Lincoln did it - of course there was a civil war going on - but there is a civil war on now as well.

Lincoln did not suspend the judiciary, though he did suspend Habeuis Corpus. He had authority to do so, due the nature of the War of Secession (not a civil war).

5 years ago, no one would believe that Joe Biden and a corrupt AG would indict the opposition candidate in order to pervert an upcoming presidential election. We would have thought there would be armed men in the streets to restore our Republic. But here we are.

There ARE armed men in the streets. Criminals and some people trying to stop them.

Should Judge Cannon dismiss the case with prejudice, as the law clearly compels her to do, it would not be a stretch to imagine Biden declaring martial law and suspending the Judiciary, arresting Trump and any other enemies of the party.

No, unfortunately, it is not. Biden has already said he would do it in his infamous 'Red' speech.

This is not a Constitutional Republic anymore.

Redundant. Government by Constitution IS a republic. You are right, however. The current form of the 'federal' government is an oligarchy.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

He did not choose any electors. He counted the electors certified by the states and submitted to Congress.

12th Amendment: " The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed;"

Trying to be rational with an irrational person usually never changes anything.

You are 100% correct; Pence did his duty. Trump is a traitor who sought to overthrow the US government in a coup. Fuck him. If there was justice in the world, Trump would be hung on the WH lawn. As it is, he'll probably end his days in relative silence at Mar-a-Lago.

 

[Into the Night]

Do you propose that there be a ministry of truth, as Xi's Biden Regime tried to establish last year, so that ideas and evidence that are harmful to the democrat party don't confuse the populace?

The official "truthiness" as established by the party is that the 2020 election was flawless. Should the Reich ensure that those who would point out the issues with mail in ballots not being verified on a massive scale and voter registration rolls that haven't been cleaned in decades are silenced, in order to not bring the "truth" as presented by the party into question?

There is already a "Ministry of Truth"...established by Biden.
Despite the 'official truthiness' established by the Democrats, there was no 2020 election. It faulted due to election fraud by Democrats.
Several elections in 2022 also faulted due to election fraud by Democrats.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There is already a "Ministry of Truth"...established by Biden.
Despite the 'official truthiness' established by the Democrats, there was no 2020 election. It faulted due to election fraud by Democrats.
Several elections in 2022 also faulted due to election fraud by Democrats.

QED

 

[Into the Night]

No court ever ruled we had an unconstitutional election.

Blatant lie.

You found one WI court that ruled the election commission acted without statutory authority but never said the WI election was unconstitutional.

Blatant lie.

You don't have the power to determine an election was unconstitutional.

Irrelevant.

Eliminate WI and Biden still had the majority of electoral votes.

You can't just toss out any State from the election, dumbass.
Too many State never chose their electors. There was no election.

Denying reality and inventing election fraud does not work,

You can't make the evidence just disappear, dumbass. Argument of the Stone fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

It was honorable compared to those around him who were willing to ignore the Constitution and block an election.

No, it wasn't. Pence violated the Constitution just as much as the Democrats did.