SmarterthanYou
rebel
why did you lump in 'doing the right thing' with simply following the law and the constitution, then?
Americans losing faith in elections process
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why did you lump in 'doing the right thing' with simply following the law and the constitution, then?
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
no it doesn't. so the answer is more speech with you putting forth your truth.
censorship is not the solution.
I'm not sure what "solution" you're referring to.
The continuing claim that it was a stolen election, though, is certainly free speech, but not the truth.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
the totalitarian solution of censorship is what i'm referring to, dumbass.
ANd you can keep making your case the election was fine.
others feel differently.
and there's an online confession letter in time magazine.
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Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
DEMOCRATS REFUSED TO ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THE 2016 ELECTION
In 2017, seven House Democrats tried to object to the 2016 election electoral votes.
After President Trump’s victory in 2016, 67 Democrats boycotted his inauguration, with many “claiming his election was illegitimate.”
After the 2016 election, Hillary Clinton repeatedly questioned the legitimacy of the election and claimed the election was stolen from her.
In September 2017, Hillary Clinton said she would not “rule out” questioning the legitimacy of the 2016 election.
In March 2019, Clinton smiled in agreement when former State Sen. Hank Sanders (D-AL) said the election was stolen from her.
In May 2019, Clinton said the 2016 election was “stolen” from her.
In September 2019, Clinton dismissed Trump as an “illegitimate president” and said “he knows” he stole the 2016 presidential election.
In October 2019, Clinton said that Trump knows that he is “an illegitimate president.”
In December 2019, Clinton nodded in agreement that she won the election.
In July 2020, Clinton said Trump is scared for Americans to see “how illegitimate his victory” was.
In October 2020, Clinton claimed that the 2016 presidential election was not conducted legitimately, saying, “we still don’t really know what happened.”
Former President Jimmy Carter said he believed that “a full investigation” would show that Trump didn’t actually win the election in 2016.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) said “I believe” Russian interference altered the outcome of the election.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) dodged answering whether Trump was “a legitimate president.”
Rep Raul Grijalva (D-AZ) said the “legitimacy is in question” of Trump’s presidency.
Then-Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) said he did not believe President Trump is a “legitimate president.”
Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA) “applauded” John Lewis and said that he was “right on target.”
Then-Rep. Cedric Richmond (D-LA) said that John Lewis’ remarks on Trump not being legitimately elected “are reasonable.”
Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA) said “there absolutely is a cloud of illegitimacy” to Trump’s presidency.
Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) said that Trump’s election was “illegitimate” and that Trump “is an illegitimate president.”
Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) justified his decision to object to certification saying Republicans engaged in “deliberate voter suppression … in numerous swing states.”
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) refused to attend President Trump’s inauguration ceremony because Trump’s election victory was “tainted” by “foreign interference and voter suppression.”
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) refused to say if Trump was a “legitimate president.”
DEMOCRATS HAVE CONTINUED TO CAST DOUBT ON OTHER ELECTIONS SINCE 2016
In 2018, Stacey Abrams refused to concede after losing the Georgia governor’s race and repeatedly challenged the “legitimacy of the election” after her loss.
Following her defeat, Abrams never conceded and continued to argue that she truly won the election.
Abrams said she would not concede a race that was an “erosion of our democracy,” was “not a free and fair election,” and was simply “not just.”
She called her defeat “fully attributable to voter suppression” and argued there was widespread voter disenfranchisement.
Many other prominent Democrats supported Abrams in her stolen election claims:
Hillary Clinton said Stacey Abrams “would have won” Georgia’s gubernatorial race “if she had a fair election” and that Stacey Abrams “should be governor” but was “deprived of the votes [she] otherwise would have gotten.”
Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) said “I think that Stacey Abrams’s election is being stolen from her.”
Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) said that “if Stacey Abrams doesn’t win in Georgia, they stole it.”
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) said “the evidence seems to suggest” the race was stolen from Stacey Abrams.
Former Vermont Governor and DNC chair Howard Dean said Abrams “should not concede” and that the election was “almost certainly stolen.”
Obama Attorney General Eric Holder said “I tend to think Stacey Abrams won that election.”
After losing his Florida gubernatorial race in 2018, Andrew Gillum withdrew his concession and pointed to “questions over the handling of the vote” in certain counties.
In 2020, after losing his House race, former Rep. Anthony Brindisi (D-NY) called for authorities to investigate voting irregularities and issues of “massive disenfranchisement of voters.”
Former State Sen. Rita Hart (D-IA) contested the election results of her House race loss in 2020, arguing that ballots were improperly rejected.
BIDEN AND HIS OFFICIALS HAVE PUSHED STOLEN ELECTION CLAIMS
In both 2013, and in 2016, Biden claimed that Gore won the 2000 presidential election
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https://gop.com/research/over-150-examples-of-democrats-denying-election-results-rsr/
Lincoln did it - of course there was a civil war going on - but there is a civil war on now as well.
5 years ago, no one would believe that Joe Biden and a corrupt AG would indict the opposition candidate in order to pervert an upcoming presidential election. We would have thought there would be armed men in the streets to restore our Republic. But here we are.
Should Judge Cannon dismiss the case with prejudice, as the law clearly compels her to do, it would not be a stretch to imagine Biden declaring martial law and suspending the Judiciary, arresting Trump and any other enemies of the party.
This is not a Constitutional Republic anymore.
Perhaps.
But democrats who defy the law, hold the Constitution in contempt, and foment evil are certainly dishonorable.
Merrick Garland is no different than Heinrich Himmler, a liar, a thug, and a scumbag.
Do you propose that there be a ministry of truth, as Xi's Biden Regime tried to establish last year, so that ideas and evidence that are harmful to the democrat party don't confuse the populace?
The official "truthiness" as established by the party is that the 2020 election was flawless. Should the Reich ensure that those who would point out the issues with mail in ballots not being verified on a massive scale and voter registration rolls that haven't been cleaned in decades are silenced, in order to not bring the "truth" as presented by the party into question?
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THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No court ever ruled we had an unconstitutional election. You found one WI court that ruled the election commission acted without statutory authority but never said the WI election was unconstitutional.
You don't have the power to determine an election was unconstitutional. Eliminate WI and Biden still had the majority of electoral votes. Denying reality and inventing election fraud does not work,
It was honorable compared to those around him who were willing to ignore the Constitution and block an election.
Into the Night
Verified User
It already IS a serious problem for our society, and it can get worse. The only alternative to trusted elections isn't pretty.
Into the Night
Verified User
Indeed, they are already preparing for election fraud in 2024, just as they did in 2020 and 2022, causing both of those elections to fault.
You are 100% correct. I’ve pointed out the same multiple times, all in vain. The facts are not a concern of theirs.
In comparison, yes. “Honorable” should not be a relative concept, however.
It was honorable to refuse the pressure from Trump and (Goldman?) to refuse their plot knowing agreeing to do so would make him a hero among Trump supporters and doing the right thing would bring the wrath of Trump and MAGA people. He had reason to fear for his safety and refused to get in the car they sent for him.
I think Pence's actions and McCain's correction of the campaign supporter who claimed Obama was a Muslim are rare instances of politicians acting honorably.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
In the past 30 years. It was a lot more common before the Cold War ended.
Remember Barry Goldwater's comments to Congress about abortion and religion? https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-CRECB-1981-pt16/pdf/GPO-CRECB-1981-pt16-1-1.pdf
"Our political process involves a constant give and take, a continuous series of trade-offs. From this system of compromise, we get legislation that reflects input from many sectors of our society and addresses many needs and interests.
Obviously, not everyone can be pleased, but at least all sides are considered.
However, on religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ. Or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls his supreme being.
But, like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly.
The religious factors that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their positions 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on any particular moral issue, they cajole, they complain, they threaten you with loss of money or votes or both....
...The abortion issue has nothing to do with being conservative or liberal. I happen to oppose abortion, but there are many fine conservatives who would go along with regulated abortions. In fact, my own wife believes that a woman should have the freedom of choice for herself whether she is capable of continuing the pregnancy and then raising the child.
I disagree with her on that. Yet I respect her right to disagree. If I expected her to agree with me on every issue we would be in a lot of trouble.
And the same goes for prospective Supreme Court justices. No single issue ever should decide the fitness of a Supreme Court justice. To think otherwise is to go against the integrity of the Constitution.
Into the Night
Verified User
It isn't pretty.
If one is to believe that poll, 54% already feel that way, which is already a majority of the population.
Into the Night
Verified User
...such as you?
You can't make the evidence of election fraud by Democrats just disappear, dude.
The funny thing is no one could make the evidence of election fraud by Democrats appear in any court room. Instead that evidence seems to be restricted to people like Into the Night who make online claims.