American female chess champ refuses to wear hijab in Iran tournament

Althea said:
I see your point, but I believe for many Muslim men, the covering in public is also about reminding women that they are second class citizens.
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Well - women are second class citizens aren't they.?? We all agree they are physically inferior to men and their fear of competing against men in chess shows they are also mentally inferior. THINK
 
Dick from the Internet said:
Well, dumb dumb, it surely seemed that milagro was implying that more Russian and Eastern Europeans were among the ranks of professionals. Is that not the case? Regardless, there are always some who play/practice more than others and, of course, your claim that "all professionals play all the time" can not be literally true.

If it is true that participation in the US is increasing then we will see more from the USA soon.
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I already covered that. Eastern Europe and Russia simply value chess more.
During the Soviet Union it was a policy to encourage the proletariate to play.

When you get to the pro level though-chess masters are fairly evenly distributed -the US
has quite a few now for a long time. Paul Morphy back in the 1800's and Fischer .
But there are scads in the USA, and grandmasters all over the world..

Certainely a lot more equal distribution then back the in the 1950 when the USSR churned out Tal, Biotvinnikik,Taimanov and so many more i've forgotten besides Spassky.
It was the golden age of Russian chess..

what's new in the US is not the amount of GM's -
it's the fact women's league is becoming popular and competitive. The Polgars live in the USA now.

China is now producing world class players
 
anatta said:
I already covered that. Eastern Europe and Russia simply value chess more.
During the Soviet Union it was a policy to encourage the proletariate to play.

When you get to the pro level though-chess masters are fairly evenly distributed -the US
has quite a few now for a long time. Paul Morphy back in the 1800's and Fischer .
But there are scads in the USA, and grandmasters all over the world..

Certainely a lot more equal distribution then back the in the 1950 when the USSR churned out Tal, Biotvinnikik,Taimanov and so many more i've forgotten besides Spassky.
It was the golden age of Russian chess..

what's new in the US is not the amount of GM's -
it's the fact women's league is becoming popular and competitive. The Polgars live in the USA now.

China is now producing world class players
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You covered nothing. All you added was a stupid expression that is obviously not true.

It's about participation levels , which you basically acknowledged.
 
Althea said:
Whenever a female American reporter goes to a Muslim country, they cover their head out of respect. I would venture to say that in some countries, it would be considered a crime for a woman to appear in public without a head covering.

When anyone goes to shul, they must cover their head....no matter their religion. It's just taking this concept to the nth degree in Muslim countries.
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they cover their heads in their damned countries out of submission to "allah" Lucifer; according to the false prophet mohamed [ damned forever]. totalitarian Luciferianism. how about that damned #wearemuslims terrorist movement ?
 
Text Drivers are Killers said:
Well - women are second class citizens aren't they.?? We all agree they are physically inferior to men and their fear of competing against men in chess shows they are also mentally inferior. THINK
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You don't strike me as being in any position to judge quite frankly.

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"I believe for many Muslim men, the covering in public is also about reminding women that they are second class citizens." A #33

Insightful wording.
Yes, perhaps women not inferior in the species, but subordinate in their culture.

"I agree 100% about people who don't belong to a religion not abiding by the 'rules' of same, but isn't the hijab a societal issue as well?" A #33

Yes

BUT !!

perhaps not in the way Westerners might think. In the U.S. a neighbor might be considered "devout" if he regularly attends "dress up & go to meetin'" day. But for the rest of the week, he's not significantly different from the guy that instead of church watches NASCAR re-runs on his VCR. Whether our First Amendment influences that at all I don't know.

BUT !!

In Islam Church & State (Mosque & community) are not so cleanly cleaved. It's not just the hijab for women. There's the call to prayer, the bloke whining on the loud-speaker, w/ men bowing to Mecca 5 times a day.

"but isn't the hijab a societal issue as well?" A #33

For my reasons above, I suppose it would be difficult for it to not be.

I understand the "when in Rome" notion.

BUT !!

This is about a chess tournament; which I would hope would be indoors, and exclusive to elite competitors. Might that not be construed to thus be included in the Muslim exception for NOT wearing the hijab?

Forgive me. Perhaps my innate agnosticism shades my thinking here. I'm nowhere near as skeptical about god as I am about religion.

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Well - women are second class citizens aren't they.?? We all agree they are physically inferior to men and their fear of competing against men in chess shows they are also mentally inferior. THINK" #46

I hope this comment is intended satirically.

But either way:
If women are physically inferior, why do they live longer?
If it were up to men to bear the pain of childbirth, the Human race would have ended long ago.
Men might average being a bit larger, more body hair, etc. It's a sexual dimorphism.
But a "difference" does not necessarily denote a superiority or an inferiority.

"their fear of competing against men" #46

Women compete against men, and win. Maggie ("the iron lady") Thatcher is a leader treated in the U.K. with nearly the reverence Reagan receives in the U.S.
And currently, it's Germany's Angela Merkel that's Western Europe's defacto leader, even exercising powerful influence over agencies she's not charged with running, the E.U. for obvious example.
 
Dick from the Internet said:
Well, dumb dumb, it surely seemed that milagro was implying that more Russian and Eastern Europeans were among the ranks of professionals. Is that not the case? Regardless, there are always some who play/practice more than others and, of course, your claim that "all professionals play all the time" can not be literally true.

If it is true that participation in the US is increasing then we will see more from the USA soon.
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they "play all the time".
They eat sleep and drink chess. You cannot get to GM level without a trainor, without prep.
you have to dediate a good part of your time to chess

The closer to a tournament -you start to study your opponents, at least their preferences (lines of play).
Sometimes you might even have a cooker ready - a particular position that comes up often-
and you play a move not often played - you take it to a line you've previously gone over.

Of course you knew all this being a Sage of Everything
I suppose they do not play chess when they are asleep - so you are correct there.
 
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anatta said:
they "play all the time".
They eat sleep and drink chess. You cannot get to GM level without a trainor, without prep.
you have to dediate a good part of your time to chess

The closer to a tournament -you start to study your opponents, at least their preferences (lines of play).
Sometimes you might even have a cooker ready - a particular position that comes up often-
and you play a move not often played - you take it to a line you've previously gone over.

Of course you knew all this being a Sage of Everything
I suppose they do not play chess when they are asleep - so you are correct there.
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I am sorry but you can not literally eat, sleep and drink chess, moron. It is a figurative expression, of course. And obviously one will expect that there is some variation in how much one pro plays from the other pros.

HOWEVER, you are talking about the professionals and have supported my claim, dumb dumb. How come they are pros? It's not really because they were born here or there, to this mommy or that daddy, but because they practiced and mastered the skill. Those cultures who push and encourage participation in chess are going to see more players at the top. You have already noted that they had been doing that and proved my point.

EDIT: I know very little about pro chess. I was a pretty good player as a kid but I did not continue to practice, now I suck.
 
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sear said:
"Whenever a female American reporter goes to a Muslim country, they cover their head out of respect. I would venture to say that in some countries, it would be considered a crime for a woman to appear in public without a head covering." a #34

Understood.
Not just reporters but everyone, including our military.
I heard a radio interview with a U.S. military officer that was stationed in Saudi Arabia.
Her commander gave her the orders. But she disobeyed them, on basis of U.S. military regulations, which specify what kind of head-cover must be worn with the fatigue uniform.
There were additional issues about her driving herself. The Saudis wanted her to be chauffeured by a male.

Too dam bad.

If Catholics don't want to eat meat on Thursday, FINE!
If Catholics don't want me to eat meat on Thursday, TOO BAD! I'll have the rib-eye!
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For the purposes of this topic, if you ate at their house you'd be eating fish.
 
Milagro said:
Before spouting off you really ought to have read this, it explains very well why there is a difference.

http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/12/23/why-are-there-so-few-female-chess-grandmasters/

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Yep, participation is the key.

Before Title IX there were not many competent female athletes. In the generation that followed it we saw the number of female athletes explode. It was not because Title IX provided a boost to their genetics or anything. Title IX helped to encourage their participation and now we see many more female athletes.
 
" if you ate at their house you'd be eating fish. " A #53

And because I'm eating at the Surf n' Turf across the street from their house*, I'll still get the rib-eye.

* It's the steak house next to the chess tournament venue.
 
Dick from the Internet said:
I am sorry but you can not literally eat, sleep and drink chess, moron. It is a figurative expression, of course. And obviously one will expect that there is some variation in how much one pro plays from the other pros.

HOWEVER, you are talking about the professionals and have supported my claim, dumb dumb. How come they are pros? It's not really because they were born here or there, to this mommy or that daddy, but because they practiced and mastered the skill. Those cultures who push and encourage participation in chess are going to see more players at the top. You have already noted that they had been doing that and proved my point.

EDIT: I know very little about pro chess. I was a pretty good player as a kid but I did not continue to practice, now I suck.
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good gawd. Fischer was a prodigy. It had nothing to do with culture,"mommy and daddy" nothing to do with practice initially. He had an interest of course like any virtuoso and he took that innate ability all the way to the world championship.

Have you seen the movie "In Search of Bobby Fischer? the kid has talent and interest.
The parents recognize and channel it thru the Marshall Chess club guy.

You are trying to say it's not innate talent-it's simply practice. That is not true.
Many a person dedicated their time to chess and never got past the club level.

You have to be able to"see" the board, and the clearer you can, the better able you are to play.
That's all chess computers do - they number crunch.
But humans have an innate ability to reject unsound combinations -and that is where talent comes into play
 
" It had nothing to do with culture " a #57

It didn't have everything to do with the culture. I wouldn't say it had nothing to do with the culture,

because of a point Woody Allen made.

In our culture, Woody Allen is a famous actor / director / millionaire.

In a "primitive" hunter / gatherer culture, Allen would have been the one the rest of the tribe tossed table scraps to. "Vegetarian" is an Indian word that means "bad hunter".

Having world-class talent for chess might not help much in a culture that had no chess.

How many prodigies have been born, lived out full lives, and died, because what they'd have excelled at didn't exist at their time?
 
sear said:
" It had nothing to do with culture " a #57

It didn't have everything to do with the culture. I wouldn't say it had nothing to do with the culture,

because of a point Woody Allen made.

In our culture, Woody Allen is a famous actor / director / millionaire.

In a "primitive" hunter / gatherer culture, Allen would have been the one the rest of the tribe tossed table scraps to. "Vegetarian" is an Indian word that means "bad hunter".

Having world-class talent for chess might not help much in a culture that had no chess.

How many prodigies have been born, lived out full lives, and died, because what they'd have excelled at didn't exist at their time?
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I meant in Fischer's case..of course those are factors. But it takes real talent/interest to go far in chess
like any skill-and to advance to the pro level it takes dedication combined with innate talent.
You need it all.

I played a few local tournaments - I beat the head of the Maryland Chess Association - the guy who introduced me to chess in kindegarten. I played speed chess in bars, and local tourneys.

I love chess, but I love it for fun-so there is no way i'd advance to a pro level.
I joined USCF but it was so sterile, I wanted to have fun.

I used to throw parties when I lived in the Maryland woods-next to a state park.
Drinking and smoking and rock and roll blasting with boards/broads all around.
 
Dick from the Internet said:
Before Title IX there were not many competent female athletes. In the generation that followed it we saw the number of female athletes explode. It was not because Title IX provided a boost to their genetics or anything. Title IX helped to encourage their participation and now we see many more female athletes.
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If women are equal to men, why do they have to compete separately from the men.? Why don't schools just have say, one tennis team open to both sexes.?

We all know the answer. Because women are physically inferior and their insistence on women-only chess tournaments shows they are also mentally inferior. THINK
 
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