America is a Christian nation

The foundation and fundamental principle which both defines our nation and sets it apart from all the rest, is the idea that we are all created equal and blessed with inalienable rights from our creator, and not man. It is difficult, if not impossible, to make this idea anything other than a Judeo-Christian idea, because that is precisely where the idea comes from. To claim otherwise, or pretend otherwise, is completely ignorant. In that respect, one could say we are a "christian nation."

Now, the statement that "we are a christian nation" is a little disturbing to me, in that, it seems to indicate we are a theocracy, and we are not. The founding fathers never intended for us to collectively live and abide by any specific religious faith to the exclusion of all others. We are free to worship whatever we want, or to not worship at all, if that's what we want. It is only the foundation and fundamental principle of all men being created equal, that is christian-based. Believing in this principle, doesn't make you a Christian, regardless of where the principle came from. Atheists and agnostics often believe the same thing Christians do, it doesn't make them Christians any more than it makes Christians atheist.

Because of the First Amendment, it is IMPOSSIBLE for our nation to become a theocracy, it simply can't happen with the First Amendment, which ensures our right to worship freely. So when pinheads start screaming about turning us into a theocracy, remind them that it's not possible because of the First Amendment. Respecting the opinions and beliefs of Christians is no different than respecting the opinions and beliefs of Muslims, and neither effects the foundation and fundamental principle of our nation, or changes where that principle came from. Earlier, a pinhead retorted; "Our nation isn't supposed to respect ANY religion..." And this is just plain false. Our nation is supposed to respect ALL religious exercise, whether we agree with them or not. Again, this is the very foundation and fundamental principle on which this country was established. To presume our nation is to not respect ANY religion, is to presume we are an ATHEIST nation, like the Communists.

The thing that needs to be pointed out here, is the motivations behind the secular movement. Of course, there are all shapes and sizes when it comes to seculars, and I don't mean to stereotype them here, because no stereotype fits accurately, as is often the case with stereotypes. However, the liberal socialists who are seculars for the most part, have adopted this secular philosophy to facilitate socialist policies. In order to implement outright Communism, you first have to destroy God and all belief in God. This way, the masses have no savior other than government. Karl Marx talked about this philosophy extensively.

What the hell do social policies have to do with denying God? If anything, social policies are based on Biblical beliefs. Love your neighbor. Good samaritan. Etc.

Jesus even healed people for free. If you want to talk about a christian nation I suggest getting on board with ObamaCare would be a good start. :)
 
You don't know what you are talking about. The founding fathers were certainly not all secular. I highly doubt that ANY were atheists, precisely because of the founding principles.

There is a common misconception, often presented by seuclars, that the founding fathers were "Deists" or subscribed to no particular religious belief... and the evidence is the lack of evidence to show them connected with any particular church or religious denomination. However, we have to remember a few important things here, we are talking about a time when "media" was fairly non-existent in America, and public perceptions were molded and shaped mostly by direct speeches witnessed first-hand, or reported months later in the press. It wasn't very difficult for the Founding Fathers to keep their private life private, they simply didn't talk about their religious convictions. Now, it's very important, when you are trying to establish a religiously free society, that you don't appear to be aligned or affiliated with one particular belief, because then it becomes quite a conflict of interest. Therefore, much of the details covering the fathers and their personal religious beliefs, is simply missing from the record, by design. They were compelled to not try and sway or influence the public by pronouncing their own beliefs, because of the positions they held. It was far more important to establish a government where religious freedom prevailed, without the undertones of religious manipulation or entanglement. They could never have done that, if they were running around 'preaching' their religious views. So the founding fathers mostly remained private on what they personally believed, and modern seculars now wish to take the 'lack of evidence' and turn it into something it's not.

You make it sound like they were all "Peters" and the cock was continually crowing. :lol:
 
as a freemason, i take exception to your post

as to your post that the founding fathers were freemasons, that is not accurate, some of the founding fathers were freemasons, but not all of them by a long shot

do you have any proof regarding your post? if so please provide a link or links

Take exception? Does the truth hurt? They were ruling France, Britain, America, Canada, ect...And they were behind the enlightenment movement. That is why their were deists.

They were all free masons or connected to free masons. I have done enough research to confirm this.

The initial leaders were all free masons and once they were able to organize the system of things, they ensured that their influence was maintained. America has been slave to foreign creditors from day one and still is.
 
Take exception? Does the truth hurt? They were ruling France, Britain, America, Canada, ect...And they were behind the enlightenment movement. That is why their were deists.

They were all free masons or connected to free masons. I have done enough research to confirm this.

The initial leaders were all free masons and once they were able to organize the system of things, they ensured that their influence was maintained. America has been slave to foreign creditors from day one and still is.

you still have not provided any proof, maybe because you do not have any
 
America's Christian heritage is the only thing that has kept us all from speaking God knows what language other than English. You disciples of destructive diversity (or 3D's) need to be expelled to Europe. It's the cleanest, most logical thing to do.

This man agrees with you:

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Dixie: However, the liberal socialists who are seculars for the most part, have adopted this secular philosophy to facilitate socialist policies. In order to implement outright Communism, you first have to destroy God and all belief in God. This way, the masses have no savior other than government. Karl Marx talked about this philosophy extensively.

What the hell do social policies have to do with denying God? If anything, social policies are based on Biblical beliefs. Love your neighbor. Good samaritan. Etc.

Jesus even healed people for free. If you want to talk about a christian nation I suggest getting on board with ObamaCare would be a good start. :)

It's explained in the sentence to follow. In order to implement Communism, God has to be eliminated. Oh sure, you can continue to wrap socialism in the clothes of Jesus and pretend you are upholding Christian standards, as you do everything humanly possible to silence Christians and ostracize them from politics or government. It doesn't matter how covertly you destroy God, as long as that is the end result. It has to be that way, or Communism can't and won't prevail. The people have to be stripped of all faith in anything other than the state, so they will fully submit to the state. As long as God exists, they will always tend to rebel and rise up against the state, whenever the conditions get tough, in the name of righteousness and God's will. You see, they've been attempting this socialism and communism for a long time, and they've discovered this through trial and error.

You have chosen to substitute socialism for charity, and pretend that is what you are doing. This is just a plain old lie, there is nothing benevolent or humanitarian about socialism or communism. The road you are taking us down, is nothing Jesus would ever advocate, as it will ultimately cause the death and suffering of millions. We also know this to be a fact, because that has always been the ultimate end result to large-scale socialist communist experiments of the past.
 
You make it sound like they were all "Peters" and the cock was continually crowing. :lol:

???? I have no idea what you are talking about. I am not "making it sound" any way, that's how it was. We didn't have MSNBC reporting 24/7 on every aspect of our leader's bowel movements, we had essentially no media to speak of. Ben Franklin, one of the founding fathers, was the primary publisher of news at the time, and it wasn't unusual for political speeches to be published months after they were delivered. The brevity and rarity of media exposure, made it essential for these men to articulate their points and messages, and they simply didn't waste a lot of time on their personal religious views, as those views were irrelevant to what they were engaged in. So you have a condition where the founding fathers have no need to discuss their religious beliefs with the media, and the nature of what they were doing would compel them to keep their opinions to themselves, anyway. There is just not a reason to bring it up or discuss it, and it doesn't matter with regard to how they established the nation. They were certainly not people who had no spiritual faith, the foundation and fundamental principles found in the Declaration of Independence, as well as the Preamble to the Constitution, are strong evidence to support that. A true "secular" can not believe that a Creator created us all equally, that is not "secular" belief. So without some spiritual basis, there is no way the Founding Fathers could have constructed the DoI or the Constitution, they would have never existed in their current form.

I don't care if you nimrods want to run around all day and night for the rest of your lives, claiming the founding fathers were non-religious people, that's just not accurate. They weren't proselytizers or preachers, they weren't out there promoting Christianity or any other particular religious belief, as they were not interested in such a thing. Their focus was on establishing a society where men could worship freely, however they pleased. How the hell could that have been done, if they were running around interjecting their personal religious views on everyone? Would you trust those kind of people to give you true religious freedom, or would you be reminded of the place you just came from, where everyone was mandated to worship the way the King wished?
 
Take exception? Does the truth hurt? They were ruling France, Britain, America, Canada, ect...And they were behind the enlightenment movement. That is why their were deists.

They were all free masons or connected to free masons. I have done enough research to confirm this.

The initial leaders were all free masons and once they were able to organize the system of things, they ensured that their influence was maintained. America has been slave to foreign creditors from day one and still is.

i am still waiting for a reply with the proof of your claims regarding freemasonry
 
i am still waiting for a reply with the proof of your claims regarding freemasonry

He has no proof, like everything he spews, it's a bunch of half-cocked conspiracy theory lunacy about 2% of the population believe. I have a problem when pinheads try to tell me what/how the founding fathers as a whole, were. They were all individuals, and had individual beliefs about a host of ideas. One thing they definitely weren't, is non-spiritual or atheistic.
 
I don't know of a single christian rightwinger that would not prefer a theocracy. Ain't it strange here in the land of the free that so many would rather break all that up with a totalitarian theocratic government?

So, you don't know any Christian rightwingers, then?
 
It's explained in the sentence to follow. In order to implement Communism, God has to be eliminated. Oh sure, you can continue to wrap socialism in the clothes of Jesus and pretend you are upholding Christian standards, as you do everything humanly possible to silence Christians and ostracize them from politics or government. It doesn't matter how covertly you destroy God, as long as that is the end result. It has to be that way, or Communism can't and won't prevail. The people have to be stripped of all faith in anything other than the state, so they will fully submit to the state. As long as God exists, they will always tend to rebel and rise up against the state, whenever the conditions get tough, in the name of righteousness and God's will. You see, they've been attempting this socialism and communism for a long time, and they've discovered this through trial and error.

To what are you alluding? Are you implying it's God's job to heal the ill and we shouldn't get involved because the citizens will like the government?

You have chosen to substitute socialism for charity, and pretend that is what you are doing. This is just a plain old lie, there is nothing benevolent or humanitarian about socialism or communism. The road you are taking us down, is nothing Jesus would ever advocate, as it will ultimately cause the death and suffering of millions. We also know this to be a fact, because that has always been the ultimate end result to large-scale socialist communist experiments of the past.

In the past Socialist and Communist governments were founded through force/violence. Furthermore, Socialism involves much more than social programs. To equate government medical care to Socialism or Communism is as silly to say Socialist and Communist countries must be Christian nations because they forbid murder just like the Bible does.

Were there elections to remove Stalin? Pol Pot? The North Korean leaders? Castro?
 
I don't know of a single christian rightwinger that would not prefer a theocracy. Ain't it strange here in the land of the free that so many would rather break all that up with a totalitarian theocratic government?

give me a break. why don't you cite some of these christian right people you refer too....
 
So, you don't know any Christian rightwingers, then?


I know plenty of them and see them on TV and hear them on the radio and you almost can't get away from them. Why can't you read? Did you go to a Baptist Escape From Busing And Black People School?
 
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