I believe I once started a long thread on the evidence as to who downed the plane alleged to be MH 17, as well as whether it was actually MH 17 to begin with. Unfortunately, the site that thread was on has been taken down and apparently even the way back machine never tracked it. My browser still remembers the link, so if you know of another wayback type site that might have it, it's here:
As I usually do with threads, the title was from an article from the American Free Press. That article, at least, is still up:
americanfreepress.net
The article was published soon after the plane alleged to be MH 17 was shot down. Quoting the article's conclusion:
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When the jetliner was brought down from the sky on July 17, Russia’s Defense Ministry recorded satellite images of a Buk-M1 system operating within the zone of Kiev forces in Eastern Ukraine along the Donetsk border near the MH17 crash site. Radiation from a battery’s Kupol radar, deployed as part of a Buk-M1 battery near Styla (a village some 30 kilometers south of Donetsk) was detected by the Russian military.
But was it even a surface-to-air missile that took the plane down?
Russian Air Force chief Lieutenant General Igor Makushev said that Russian radar had spotted a second aircraft in the ill-fated airliner’s vicinity just before the crash and that it was likely a Ukrainian fighter jet.
A BBC report confirms the general’s claim of a Ukrainian fighter jet.
“The inhabitants of the nearby villages are certain they saw military aircraft in the sky shortly before the catastrophe,” reported the BBC. “According to them, it was the jet fighter that brought down the Boeing.”
“There were two explosions,” a villager told the BBC. She added: “This is how it broke apart,” and then she gestured with her arms. “And there was another aircraft, a military one beside it,” she told the BBC. “Everybody saw it. It was proceeding underneath, below the civilian one.”
“[The fighter jets] use civilian jets to hide behind them,” another villager told the BBC. Eleven people were reportedly killed in his apartment building recently when it was bombed by a Ukrainian fighter jet. “Civilian aircraft are always flying above us,” he said.
Kiev was also in charge of air traffic control once the Malaysian plane was over Ukrainian airspace. Flight 17 was directed about 150 miles north from the usual flight path taken by Malaysian Airlines, for no apparent reason, placing it right into the war zone.
It is unclear still who shot down the plane or why. But one thing is clear: Without a full investigation, it cannot at this point be claimed with any certainty that pro-Russian forces were behind it.
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