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Personally I'd rather see trumpcare fail in the senate and watch obamacare continue to implode on its own.
Aetna to Obamacare: We're outta here
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my only question is where are the profitz coming from. Insurance companies are twice as profitable now as they were when Obamacare started. Obamacare was a huge democrat hand out to them. Not to mention they have a government enforced monopoly in most places.
No concern for the millions who will lose coverage?
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I look at all those as opportunities for you bleeding heart Liberals to prove you care as much as you claim. It will give you a chance to back up your words that you care by personally providing coverage for all those you claim will lose it. How many will you personally fund? How much concern will you personally show for all those to whom you claim a responsibility? I have responsibility to anyone when it comes to coverage but myself and MY family. Since I have no responsibility to anyone else, there is no accountability on me if they don't get it.
Shouldn't christie and the rest of the bleeding heart look at them as opportunities to prove they care as much as they claim by personally providing the funding for coverage for them?
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Althea
Althea told me...
Let's keep it real.
A federal judge has ruled against the proposed acquisition of the health insurance company Humana by its larger rival, Aetna.
The decision is a victory for former President Obama's Justice Department, which sued Aetna last year to block the $34 billion merger, NPR's Yuki Noguchi reported.
The suit alleged that the merger would hurt competition in the health care market, leading to higher prices for consumers and fewer services for Medicare patients.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...hcare-merger-saying-it-would-hurt-competition
blackascoal
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After ObamaCare repeal, GOP majorities on life support
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... the House GOP leadership rushed through a bill absent the all-important Congressional Budget Office scoring and no hearings to vet the bill's impact on the American people. This amid the backdrop that a recent Gallup poll shows the Obama’s Affordable Care Act with a 55 percent approval rating, while the AHCA stands at a paltry 17 percent. *Despite those facts, Republicans are determined to strip millions of Americans of healthcare. (The CBO estimated approximately 24 million could lose coverage under the GOP’s plan).
In the aftermath of Obama's historic healthcare win, Democrats proceeded to lose a whopping 63 seats in the House and six in the Senate. Moreover, historically, the party that controls the White House struggles to maintain seats in midterm elections and if history is any guide, the House GOP's healthcare "victory" all but dooms both Republican-led chambers to minority status in 2018. Moreover, President Trump’s historically-low approval numbers only compounds the problems confronting Republicans efforts to maintain control of the levers of power in Washington after 2018.
Scores of outside groups ranging from the AARP, the American Medical Association, the Diabetes Association and others came out vociferously against the passage of the bill. The AARP has vowed to make constituents (of Republicans who voted for the bill) aware of their vote. Also, in rare unity, the trifecta of the medical landscape: doctors, hospitals, and insurers are speaking with one voice denouncing the bill. Michael J. Dowling, chief executive of Northwell Health, a large health system in New York stated: "This is just a debacle."
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...amacare-repeal-gop-majorities-on-life-support
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... the House GOP leadership rushed through a bill absent the all-important Congressional Budget Office scoring and no hearings to vet the bill's impact on the American people. This amid the backdrop that a recent Gallup poll shows the Obama’s Affordable Care Act with a 55 percent approval rating, while the AHCA stands at a paltry 17 percent. *Despite those facts, Republicans are determined to strip millions of Americans of healthcare. (The CBO estimated approximately 24 million could lose coverage under the GOP’s plan).
In the aftermath of Obama's historic healthcare win, Democrats proceeded to lose a whopping 63 seats in the House and six in the Senate. Moreover, historically, the party that controls the White House struggles to maintain seats in midterm elections and if history is any guide, the House GOP's healthcare "victory" all but dooms both Republican-led chambers to minority status in 2018. Moreover, President Trump’s historically-low approval numbers only compounds the problems confronting Republicans efforts to maintain control of the levers of power in Washington after 2018.
Scores of outside groups ranging from the AARP, the American Medical Association, the Diabetes Association and others came out vociferously against the passage of the bill. The AARP has vowed to make constituents (of Republicans who voted for the bill) aware of their vote. Also, in rare unity, the trifecta of the medical landscape: doctors, hospitals, and insurers are speaking with one voice denouncing the bill. Michael J. Dowling, chief executive of Northwell Health, a large health system in New York stated: "This is just a debacle."
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...amacare-repeal-gop-majorities-on-life-support
Moosecare. Seriously. It is genius and fair.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I guess the idea is if you just keep saying something false enough it will just magically come true.
Is Obamacare in a 'death spiral'?
"It is in a death spiral," conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt said March 26 on Meet the Press. "The New York Times yesterday pointed out that — the president of Aetna — that you will lose coverage in many places in America for everyone, and that to me is a death spiral for those people."
The idea that Obamacare is in a "death spiral" — a specific term used in the health insurance industry — is a claim that we’ve heard before. Experts say Hewitt is incorrect.
We reached out to Hewitt through his radio program but did not hear back.
"Death spiral" is a health industry term built around three components:
Shrinking enrollment;
Healthy people leaving the system;
Rising premiums.
The latest government figures show enrollment in the Affordable Care Act is slightly down from last year. Through Jan. 31, 2017, some 12.2 million people were signed up for coverage through a federal or state marketplace, which is a decrease of 500,000, or 4 percent, from the same point last year.
Experts noted that marketplace sign-ups were running in line with their 2016 pace as of the middle of January, which experts said might suggest the decline in sign-ups was somehow related to the Trump administration, not an impending death spiral. For example, the Trump administration decided to at least partially halt marketing and outreach encouraging people to sign up for health coverage.
But experts say the enrollment decline isn’t an indication the health care law is in a death spiral. There is no direct connection, they said, showing that the declining enrollment is causing premiums to increase.
Why not? Because federal government subsidies in the form of tax credits are largely shielding customers from feeling the premium increase.
As we have reported, premiums are increasing. But that isn’t affecting the cost for most consumers, due to built-in subsidies under the Affordable Care Act. The subsidies cap premium prices at a certain percentage of income for anyone below 400 percent of the federal poverty level (in 2016 that would be $47,520 for a single person).
Among the people who have signed up so far for 2017, 81 percent will receive a subsidy.
Data also shows no uptick in healthy people leaving the health insurance market.
CBO, independent analysis: No death spiral
We rate this claim False.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/mar/26/hugh-hewitt/obamacare-death-spiral/
Facts vs political meme.
I guess..I'm no expert in any of this -but it seems the only real way is single pay..increases the pool to everyone,and doesn't operate for profit.
Then if you want private insurance on top of it ( and will pay for it) you could do that too.
ya. I know all that BAC, thanks.I guess the idea is if you just keep saying something false enough it will just magically come true.
Is Obamacare in a 'death spiral'?
"It is in a death spiral," conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt said March 26 on Meet the Press. "The New York Times yesterday pointed out that — the president of Aetna — that you will lose coverage in many places in America for everyone, and that to me is a death spiral for those people."
The idea that Obamacare is in a "death spiral" — a specific term used in the health insurance industry — is a claim that we’ve heard before. Experts say Hewitt is incorrect.
We reached out to Hewitt through his radio program but did not hear back.
"Death spiral" is a health industry term built around three components:
Shrinking enrollment;
Healthy people leaving the system;
Rising premiums.
The latest government figures show enrollment in the Affordable Care Act is slightly down from last year. Through Jan. 31, 2017, some 12.2 million people were signed up for coverage through a federal or state marketplace, which is a decrease of 500,000, or 4 percent, from the same point last year.
Experts noted that marketplace sign-ups were running in line with their 2016 pace as of the middle of January, which experts said might suggest the decline in sign-ups was somehow related to the Trump administration, not an impending death spiral. For example, the Trump administration decided to at least partially halt marketing and outreach encouraging people to sign up for health coverage.
But experts say the enrollment decline isn’t an indication the health care law is in a death spiral. There is no direct connection, they said, showing that the declining enrollment is causing premiums to increase.
Why not? Because federal government subsidies in the form of tax credits are largely shielding customers from feeling the premium increase.
As we have reported, premiums are increasing. But that isn’t affecting the cost for most consumers, due to built-in subsidies under the Affordable Care Act. The subsidies cap premium prices at a certain percentage of income for anyone below 400 percent of the federal poverty level (in 2016 that would be $47,520 for a single person).
Among the people who have signed up so far for 2017, 81 percent will receive a subsidy.
Data also shows no uptick in healthy people leaving the health insurance market.
CBO, independent analysis: No death spiral
We rate this claim False.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/mar/26/hugh-hewitt/obamacare-death-spiral/
Facts vs political meme.
subsidies are keeping a lot of people enrolled-but it doesn't address the exit of the providers.
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As a moonbat I'd think you'd like to see the AHA fail in th senate too. dims voted 100% against it. I'm on their side on this.
Are you saying you want trumpcare to pass?
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
of course.....why did Obama fuck them over?.....
blackascoal
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It's not a perfect system, no one ever said it was .. certainly not me.
However, it's problems are not fatal and can be fixed by people who begin with the simple premise that Americans deserve better healthcare then what was the status quo.
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Wow, so you're glad to see them go.