Admit it Dems: Ryan scares the shit out of you

blackascoal said:
Typical right-wing pro-UNBORN-lifer ..

Missouri Republican candidate calls to halt federal school lunch program
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/...e-calls-to-halt-federal-school-lunch-program/

They don't give a fuck about human life.
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we should be able to kill anyone on public assistance......they are not viable......

(note to typical dimwitted liberal: this is sarcasm.....I tell you this because I know you're not bright enough to realize what sarcasm is.......)

by the way....after deleting the liberal deception, here's what really happened....

"Why not do it at the state level?" he asked. "I'm not against school lunches, but I have a question whether the federal government should be doing as many things as it's doing, and that would be one to take a look at."

Read more here: http://midwestdemocracy.com/article...al-spending-for-school-lunches/#storylink=cpy
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oh I'm sorry....did I ruin your argument by bringing up the facts?.....
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
we should be able to kill anyone on public assistance......they are not viable......

(note to typical dimwitted liberal: this is sarcasm.....I tell you this because I know you're not bright enough to realize what sarcasm is.......)

by the way....after deleting the liberal deception, here's what really happened....

oh I'm sorry....did I ruin your argument by bringing up the facts?.....
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:rofl2: This is going to be fun. :0) Not sure what "facts" you're talking about.

There is a very good reason why many things are done of the federal level .. not the least of which is that many states .. particularly in the south .. have traditionally dropped the ball on education and the care of children in schools .. as well as a biased approach to doing that.

Why do you think he wants this done at the state-level? Because he wants to do it cheaper .. he wants to give them less .. maybe wants to classify ketchup as a vegetable .. like the vegetable known as Ronald Reagan. :0)

Additionally, both he and you make my point about pro-unborn-lifers. Those of us who actually care about the born seek to give school-age children every advantage. We want to strengthen regulations and policies that ensure the best health and environment for children. Yet, both he and you support policies that not only hurt children, they hurt families .. and I defy/double-dog dare you to debate that you don't.

Here's something else from your hero .. he voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination based on sexual orientation. It appears that he doesn't think the female fetus is as valued as the male fetus .. and certainly doesn't deserve the same protections. And, if the fetus is gay .. it doesn't really have any value at all to your hero. He's rated at 0% by the Human Rights Commission on gays.

Are these facts burdensome?

Oh Lawd .. don't let that born fetus come out black or hispanic. Your boy doesn't care about them either .. but he does want prayer in public schools. God must be smiling.

Oh yeah, your boy doesn't think too much about the health of school-age children either. He voted NO on adding 2 to 4 million children to SCHIP eligibility and he voted NO to extend SCHIP to cover 6M more kids and he voted NO on expanding the program at all.

KIDS

He also voted NO on giving mental health full equity with physical health.

Did I mention that he doesn't care much about seniors either? He's rated at 10% by the Alliance for Retired Americans.

Too many facts for ya?

If you'd like to debate which of us supports policies that actually benefit actual real born people .. you've come to the right place. :0)
 
Why do you think he wants this done at the state-level? Because he wants to do it cheaper.
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Here's the thing, no matter what, we have to do things cheaper if we continue to do them at all. What we are currently doing, is borrowing about $2 trillion every year, to go with what we realize in actual tax revenues, and then spending every dime of it and asking for more. This can't be sustained, and you have to live in a fantasy world to believe this is fiscally sound. It doesn't matter if you are left or right, who is to blame for the past, who wants to cut what, or anything else... we have to do things cheaper, there is no other way to go, one way or another this is inevitable.

The part of "Trickle Down" that doesn't work, is trickle down administrative government. When we duplicate services at the Federal and State level, we create huge bureaucratic juggernauts and behemoths, which burn up funding like a 1975 Cadillac burns gas.
 
Ryan should scare any American who doesn't want to return to the 15th century rule of Roman Catholic clerics. "Romney Chooses Randroid Paul Ryan as VP Candidate ... the horror, the horror. In some ways, this is even worse than McCain's choice of the narcissistic moron Sarah Palin in 2008. First, Ryan has a clear ideology, and it's a mixture of the vicious and the insane. Second, Ryan does not seem to be as inept and self-destructive as Palin, so he may really be the future even if Romney loses this year. In other words, the Republican Party is now officially the party committed to destroying Medicare and destroying Social Security. Unless they are crushed in the election, this battle is going to continue for a generation or more.

Consider, in perspective, what's happened: an ideology (partly inspired by Rand--remember dopey Alan Greenspan?) of deregulation and unbridled capitalism brought the world to the brink of economic collapse in 2008. Four years later, the Republican Party has now openly embraced a full-throated Randian ideology. This country has learned nothing. If Obama does not rise to this occasion, and launch a full-throttled attack on this ideology, he will go down in history as the most craven coward in American politics." http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2012/08/romney-chooses-randroid-paul-ryan-as-vp-candidate.html


"There was a time, not so very long ago, when perfectly rational people ran the Republican Party. So how did the party of Lincoln become the party of lunatics? That is what this book aims to answer. Fear not, the Dems come in for their share of tough talk — they are zombies, a party of the living dead." Mike Lofgren 'The Party Is Over: How Republicans Went Crazy, Democrats Became Useless, and the Middle Class Got Shafted' (see down too) http://www.amazon.com/Party-Over-Re...less/dp/0670026263/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8
 
midcan5 said:
Ryan should scare any American who doesn't want to return to the 15th century rule of Roman Catholic clerics. "Romney Chooses Randroid Paul Ryan as VP Candidate ... the horror, the horror. In some ways, this is even worse than McCain's choice of the narcissistic moron Sarah Palin in 2008. First, Ryan has a clear ideology, and it's a mixture of the vicious and the insane. Second, Ryan does not seem to be as inept and self-destructive as Palin, so he may really be the future even if Romney loses this year. In other words, the Republican Party is now officially the party committed to destroying Medicare and destroying Social Security. Unless they are crushed in the election, this battle is going to continue for a generation or more.

Consider, in perspective, what's happened: an ideology (partly inspired by Rand--remember dopey Alan Greenspan?) of deregulation and unbridled capitalism brought the world to the brink of economic collapse in 2008. Four years later, the Republican Party has now openly embraced a full-throated Randian ideology. This country has learned nothing. If Obama does not rise to this occasion, and launch a full-throttled attack on this ideology, he will go down in history as the most craven coward in American politics." http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2012/08/romney-chooses-randroid-paul-ryan-as-vp-candidate.html


"There was a time, not so very long ago, when perfectly rational people ran the Republican Party. So how did the party of Lincoln become the party of lunatics? That is what this book aims to answer. Fear not, the Dems come in for their share of tough talk — they are zombies, a party of the living dead." Mike Lofgren 'The Party Is Over: How Republicans Went Crazy, Democrats Became Useless, and the Middle Class Got Shafted' (see down too) http://www.amazon.com/Party-Over-Re...less/dp/0670026263/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8
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That book's going on my list.... :)
 
'The Party Is Over: How Republicans Went Crazy, Democrats Became Useless, and the Middle Class Got Shafted'

or-- 'A Liberal's Revisionist History: How Republicans Became Full of Dixiecrats, And Democrats Are The Party of Lincoln!'
 
Dixie said:
'The Party Is Over: How Republicans Went Crazy, Democrats Became Useless, and the Middle Class Got Shafted'

or-- 'A Liberal's Revisionist History: How Republicans Became Full of Dixiecrats, And Democrats Are The Party of Lincoln!'
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It's written by a Republican, rube.
Lofgren, a Republican who worked as a Congressional staffer for 28 years, made news in September 2011 when he angrily quit over the debt ceiling crisis. He's critical of Democrats but saves his real bashing for Republicans, whom he called lunatics in a Truthout piece that got so many hits so fast that the site crashed
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Dixie said:
Here's the thing, no matter what, we have to do things cheaper if we continue to do them at all. What we are currently doing, is borrowing about $2 trillion every year, to go with what we realize in actual tax revenues, and then spending every dime of it and asking for more. This can't be sustained, and you have to live in a fantasy world to believe this is fiscally sound. It doesn't matter if you are left or right, who is to blame for the past, who wants to cut what, or anything else... we have to do things cheaper, there is no other way to go, one way or another this is inevitable.

The part of "Trickle Down" that doesn't work, is trickle down administrative government. When we duplicate services at the Federal and State level, we create huge bureaucratic juggernauts and behemoths, which burn up funding like a 1975 Cadillac burns gas.
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You guys continue to make my point.

Given this ..

defence-budgets-and-expenditure---iiss.jpg


I'd say there is plenty of money to spend on our children .. our BORN children.

It's a matter of your priorities .. not money.
 
blackascoal said:
You guys continue to make my point.

Given this ..

defence-budgets-and-expenditure---iiss.jpg


I'd say there is plenty of money to spend on our children .. our BORN children.

It's a matter of your priorities .. not money.
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Again, my post was clear to point out, it does not matter what has been done in the past, or who funded what. The fact remains, you can not continue spending $2 trillion more than you take in, it is a plan destined to fail. But now, you are a self-proclaimed socialist, so you actually WANT to collapse capitalism and the free market system, because that is how socialists introduce socialism to the masses.
 
Bijou said:
Ryan’s Budget: Right in Your Face, America!
by Ralph Nader
He proposes deep cuts in widespread hunger alleviating food stamps. He opposes the minimum wage while he fights to eliminate or reduce taxes on capital gains and other taxes on the already undertaxed very-wealthy who have poured money into his and other Republicans’ campaign kitties.

He professes to be against crony capitalism, but he voted for the giant Wall Street bailouts and other bailouts and giveaways that define what real conservatives find so offensive.

An outraged David A. Stockman, President Reagan’s first director of the Office of Management and Budget, dismisses Ryan’s conservative credentials. He said that Calvin Coolidge, Herbert C. Hoover, Senator Robert A. Taft, Dwight D. Eisenhower, and even Gerald A. Ford “would have had no use for the neoconservative imperialism…”“

In short,” wrote Stockman in The New York Times, “Mr. Ryan’s plan is devoid of credible math or hard policy choices…. Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan have no plan to take on Wall Street, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, social insurance or the nation’s fiscal calamity and no plan to revive capitalist prosperity – just empty sermons
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this seems to be true, i am always extremely wary of hyperbolic characterizations - i don't see these here.
Instead I see a true description of The Ryan budget,and the Romney plan to grow GDP ( revive capitalistic prosperity).
Not a budget exoert , but if this is true, what sane person would want this? These are specific allegatons, not just rhetoricals .
 
blackascoal said:
:rofl2: This is going to be fun. :0) Not sure what "facts" you're talking about.
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thats okay....I'm used to it.....I've been arguing with liberals for years and they never know what facts are.....

maybe wants to classify ketchup as a vegetable
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hey, good approach....convince us the feds do it better by giving us an example of something stupid the feds did.....that should work....

Yet, both he and you support policies that not only hurt children, they hurt families .. and I defy/double-dog dare you to debate that you don't.
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/shrugs....what's to debate.....you've lied about me.....you're wrong......do I need to debate further?.....

Here's something else from your hero .. he voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination based on sexual orientation. It appears that he doesn't think the female fetus is as valued as the male fetus .. and certainly doesn't deserve the same protections. And, if the fetus is gay .. it doesn't really have any value at all to your hero. He's rated at 0% by the Human Rights Commission on gays.
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ah, more excellent proof.....he obviously hates children because he hasn't voted the way gays would like him to.......you were born to logic, weren't you....and for clarification, he and all the other Republicans voted against the proposed law on job discrimination because of its provision on punitive versus actual damage......but I suspect you already knew that and hoped our readers didn't....

Are these facts burdensome?
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all I've seen so far is your hate, not his....

don't let that born fetus come out black or hispanic. Your boy doesn't care about them either
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oh wait....you forgot to provide facts starting a couple paragraphs ago....do you intend to go back and fill them in?....

He voted NO on adding 2 to 4 million children to SCHIP eligibility and he voted NO to extend SCHIP to cover 6M more kids and he voted NO on expanding the program at all.
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here's some fact for you....he voted against raising SCHIP eligibility to people earning $80k a year....that's who the 6 million kids were......do you really think people that earn $80k a year need financial assistance?.....

now, do YOU want to play with facts?.....
 
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So, the author of that book loves debt. I guess he is a true Republican. He should know that the Democrats have always been useless, from the Age of Jackson to the present.
 
Dixie said:
Here's the thing, no matter what, we have to do things cheaper if we continue to do them at all. What we are currently doing, is borrowing about $2 trillion every year, to go with what we realize in actual tax revenues, and then spending every dime of it and asking for more. This can't be sustained, and you have to live in a fantasy world to believe this is fiscally sound. It doesn't matter if you are left or right, who is to blame for the past, who wants to cut what, or anything else... we have to do things cheaper, there is no other way to go, one way or another this is inevitable.

The part of "Trickle Down" that doesn't work, is trickle down administrative government. When we duplicate services at the Federal and State level, we create huge bureaucratic juggernauts and behemoths, which burn up funding like a 1975 Cadillac burns gas.
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why is it that liberals think "he wants to do things cheaper" is a bad thing?......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
why is it that liberals think "he wants to do things cheaper" is a bad thing?......
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Because they have no concept of the situation. They believe that we have plenty of money, and if we don't, we can always tax the rich and the corporations, to supply endless wealth. They don't understand the concept of debt. I'm surprised they haven't thought of claiming debt as a right yet, it's probably coming soon. Can't you just see it? Every American deserves to have a million dollars of debt, how else can they realize the American Dream?

We're out of money, people. We are currently borrowing money at an alarming rate from the Communist Chinese. Tell us, o' brilliant pinheads, is that a good idea?

They can't wrap their pinhead minds around the numbers... trillions, billions, gazillions... what does that mean? Budgets? Economics? BO-ring! What's Snooky saying today? Where can you find decent Freekeh? This isn't effecting their everyday lives, so they assume everything is always going to be like it has been since they were born. Someone will figure something out, they always do!

I'll bet most of the "regular" pinheads here, are on some kind of government disability or hand-out, because they spend too much time here to be productive members of society. I'm here all the time because I'm a wealthy old fart who can do as he pleases, but the clowns running around here posting propaganda links night and day, in every thread, on every topic, are either working for the Liberals or getting their meal tickets punched by the taxpayers.
 
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