Abortion thought experiment

Yeah, I know. The fact is we can not save ourselves from that baggage of sin we all carry.
You don't have understanding. In the natural we are sinners, all of us. God offers us the free gift of salvation through faith in his Son, Jesus Christ. He bore all our sins on the cross and paid the price in full. All we have to do accept the gift. THIS is the Gospel...the Good News. I have nothing to boast of in myself. Instead I boast in Christ who saved me while I was still in my sin. This is great news. The pressure is off. Knowing that I don't (and can't) work my butt off to get in God's good graces is fantastic news. I trust in Christ alone to finish the work that HE started in me! WOW!!! What a gift! If a person hands me a gift, I receive it and say, "thank-you!" How much more do I give thanks now to God himself for providing me with this free gift of life that I didn't earn, deserve or work for!

Have you ever had anybody ever forgive you of a debt you may have owed? A credit card company, a friend, a business partner? I have and what a relief that was, such a load lifted. Well this joy and freedom is like THAT only multiplied by billions! :awesome:

For I am confident of this, that He who began a good work in you will continue to perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
Phil 1:6
No, I pay my debts, I’ve never had them forgiven, that also feels good!

I am glad your religion makes you feel good, the majority of people seem to need it. I live a wonderful life free from religion, I know people like you are shocked by this, but it is perfectly true!
 
Yeah, I know. The fact is we can not save ourselves from that baggage of sin we all carry.
You don't have understanding. In the natural we are sinners, all of us. God offers us the free gift of salvation through faith in his Son, Jesus Christ. He bore all our sins on the cross and paid the price in full. All we have to do accept the gift. THIS is the Gospel...the Good News. I have nothing to boast of in myself. Instead I boast in Christ who saved me while I was still in my sin. This is great news. The pressure is off. Knowing that I don't (and can't) work my butt off to get in God's good graces is fantastic news. I trust in Christ alone to finish the work that HE started in me! WOW!!! What a gift! If a person hands me a gift, I receive it and say, "thank-you!" How much more do I give thanks now to God himself for providing me with this free gift of life that I didn't earn, deserve or work for!

Have you ever had anybody ever forgive you of a debt you may have owed? A credit card company, a friend, a business partner? I have and what a relief that was, such a load lifted. Well this joy and freedom is like THAT only multiplied by billions! :awesome:

For I am confident of this, that He who began a good work in you will continue to perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
Phil 1:6

IM GLAD FOR YOU

Our govenment was not created to accomadate only YOUR beliefs
 
so called


idiot that is what jefferson called it

Thats what I said.....

I was wondering how long you could go without resorting to name calling....you did pretty good....
now I'm done with this, its getting boring....
 
legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,'


THAT IS the definition of the so called wall of separation between church and state...

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yes you did say so called
 
Thats what I said.....

I was wondering how long you could go without resorting to name calling....you did pretty good....
now I'm done with this, its getting boring....

you trashed the founders discription of the laws he helped create



it was not so called


its what a founder discribed it as
 
Thats what I said.....

I was wondering how long you could go without resorting to name calling....you did pretty good....
now I'm done with this, its getting boring....

because you got caught in stupid you leave
 
and this is country that keeps religion and government separate
No laws based on one religion

Right :) No state-enforced established religion...no prohibition of exercising our rights to our own choice religion ...or no religion at all. That was a main reason for getting away from England where one specific religion was forced on people by the government.

'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
 
Right :) No state-enforced established religion...no prohibition of exercising our rights to our own choice religion ...or no religion at all. That was a main reason for getting away from England where one specific religion was forced on people by the government.

'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

NO LAW

that means no single law designed arround ONE religion.



so it can not be built incrementally


GET IT
 
Being free from religion doesn’t change a darn thing about our nation or the Constitution. A few of our Founders were free from religion.

You need to study history before you make such statements, there were colonies that forced their religion on citizens, that is why the Founders wrote the 1st Amendment
https://www.facinghistory.org/nobigotry/religion-colonial-america-trends-regulations-and-beliefsj

Correct. There was to be no forced state-established religion like there was in England.
 
the founders were smart


they carefully worded things


some want to simplify what they said to protect their own desires.


that is why they so carefully said things


that is why its SMART to listen to the words they left us to describe what they meant



why are you people not respecting those words?
 
Correct. There was to be no forced state-established religion like there was in England.

NO LAW

that means no single law designed arround ONE religion.



so it can not be built incrementally


GET IT



stop trying to limit what they clearly said
 
and its means NO LAWS designed by ONE religion


NONE

even if like back then MOST of the people believed basically the same religion.

They saw what it did to the british government


they KNEW a speration was needed

Right, it was keep the government out of the churches. They couldn't dictate that America had one specific religion. That's why we have churches, synagogues, mosques, etc. Thankfully, our laws do reflect basic tenants like not killing, not stealing, etc.
Again the reason for that separation was made clear because that what the people were fleeing from in England...a state-established national church.
 
To live in America you need to understand the religions of others.


they will clash with yours


Just like yours clashes with theirs.


If you want to talk politics you have to recognise you are but one of the many belief systems in this population.


Your religion doesnt get to make all the laws


Its a democracy

No but, the basics were there...no killing, no stealing, etc. What's the big deal? What are we arguing about? Americans have the freedom to worship as they please and have no prohibition of expression of our diverse faiths.
 
and NO law shall be made to promote any one religion.


that means you dont get to just force everyone to follow ANY laws of your religion



history has seen that many times and watched it fail

Yeah...and? I don't see the argument yet. Do your thing or don't do your thing. Enjoy your freedom of expression or don't. It's up to you.
 
No but, the basics were there...no killing, no stealing, etc. What's the big deal? What are we arguing about? Americans have the freedom to worship as they please and have no prohibition of expression of our diverse faiths.

and this country already decided the Abortion laws


your one religion doesnt get to change things to fit YOUR beliefs
 
one could argue embryos and the stem cells they have could fetch big money on the black market. Maybe i'd save the embryos after all :)
 
Right, it was keep the government out of the churches. They couldn't dictate that America had one specific religion. That's why we have churches, synagogues, mosques, etc. Thankfully, our laws do reflect basic tenants like not killing, not stealing, etc.
Again the reason for that separation was made clear because that what the people were fleeing from in England...a state-established national church.

NO LAW

that means no single law designed arround ONE religion.



so it can not be built incrementally


GET IT



stop trying to limit what they clearly said
 
one could argue embryos and the stem cells they have could fetch big money on the black market. Maybe i'd save the embryos after all :)

even the religion of money over humans gets it vote like this guy


fortunately sociopaths are only like 4 in 100 humans
 
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